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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.
    Does God in the bible specify rights? I don't recall seeing the right to own guns in my bible, but maybe I had a faulty version?

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    The protesters are trying to tell you something. When you show that you are listening, and understand, and act, the protests will stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Does God in the bible specify rights? I don't recall seeing the right to own guns in my bible, but maybe I had a faulty version?
    They are liberties gleaned from biblical principles. Read John Locke's Second Treatise on government which profoundly influenced the Founders, rights and property rights are grounded in the God of the bible. The Second Amendment is merely a logical extension of those rights in that it helps protect those rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Does God in the bible specify rights? I don't recall seeing the right to own guns in my bible, but maybe I had a faulty version?
    Nor does the Bible specify the right to launch rockets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.
    My original contention was that the only right God has given us, according to the Bible, is the right to be called the children of God (John 1:12). As far as the American Revolution being grounded in religious principles, the Bible gives us the following:

    Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king. (1 Peter 2:13-17, NASB)
    Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. (Romans 13:1-7, NASB)
    Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. (Titus 3:1-2, NASB)
    Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. (Hebrews 13:17, NASB)
    Or I could give the example of David's attitude toward the evil King Saul:

    The men of David said to him, “Behold, this is the day of which the LORD said to you, ‘Behold; I am about to give your enemy into your hand, and you shall do to him as it seems good to you.’” Then David arose and cut off the edge of Saul’s robe secretly. It came about afterward that David’s conscience bothered him because he had cut off the edge of Saul’s robe. So he said to his men, “Far be it from me because of the LORD that I should do this thing to my lord, the LORD’S anointed, to stretch out my hand against him, since he is the LORD’S anointed.” David persuaded his men with these words and did not allow them to rise up against Saul. And Saul arose, left the cave, and went on his way.(1 Samuel 24:4-7, NASB)
    So David and Abishai came to the people by night, and behold, Saul lay sleeping inside the circle of the camp with his spear stuck in the ground at his head; and Abner and the people were lying around him. Then Abishai said to David, “Today God has delivered your enemy into your hand; now therefore, please let me strike him with the spear to the ground with one stroke, and I will not strike him the second time.” But David said to Abishai, “Do not destroy him, for who can stretch out his hand against the LORD’S anointed and be without guilt?” David also said, “As the LORD lives, surely the LORD will strike him, or his day will come that he dies, or he will go down into battle and perish. The LORD forbid that I should stretch out my hand against the LORD’S anointed; but now please take the spear that is at his head and the jug of water, and let us go.” (1 Samuel 26:7-11, NASB)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    My original contention was that the only right God has given us, according to the Bible, is the right to be called the children of God (John 1:12). As far as the American Revolution being grounded in religious principles, the Bible gives us the following:


    Or I could give the example of David's attitude toward the evil King Saul:
    Except in a democratic Republic we the people are the governing authority. The elected officials work for us, not the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Except in a democratic Republic we the people are the governing authority.
    Ideally, yes.

    The elected officials work for us, not the other way around.
    Which is another reason, IMOHBAO, for term limits --- they totally forget that when they get to DC, and the get the idea that their job is to "take care of us", while getting rich in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.
    Where, exactly, did he ground those rights in the God of the bible, seer?
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    Defense Secretary says NO to use of military in riots, NOT wanting to vote the insurrection act.

    Let's see if he gets fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Defense Secretary says NO to use of military in riots, NOT wanting to vote the insurrection act.

    Let's see if he gets fired.
    I would not be surprised if he was fired. Seems he is too good and too honest for the Trump administration in this case.

    Esper also addressed the killing of Floyd, calling it a "horrible crime" and said "racism is real in America, and we must all do our very best to recognize it, to confront it, and to eradicate it."

    "The killing of George Floyd by a Minneapolis policeman is a horrible crime. The officers on the scene that day should be held accountable for his murder. It is a tragedy that we have seen repeat itself too many times. With great sympathy, I want to extend the deepest of condolences to the family and friends of George Floyd from me and the Department. Racism is real in America, and we must all do our very best to recognize it, to confront it, and to eradicate it," he said. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/03/p...sts/index.html
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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