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    "Abortion is murder"

    It is widely stated that "abortion is murder." Are those who have gotten abortions murderers? Should they not be similarly shunned?

    If they are not murderers could they not be accurately described as baby killers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    It is widely stated that "abortion is murder."
    We've been here before.

    Are those who have gotten abortions murderers?
    The question would be to what degree are they complicit in the "murder" performed by the abortionist.

    Should they not be similarly shunned?
    Shunned?

    If they are not murderers could they not be accurately described as baby killers?
    Same as above.

    And, let's quickly add that the "murder" tag is disputed because it is not "the unlawful taking of human life", as legally described, but is, to many of us, the immoral taking of a human life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The question would be to what degree are they complicit in the "murder" performed by the abortionist.
    Wouldn't they be 100% complicit? That much seems obvious.

    Shunned?
    Don't we generally shun those guilty of murder and other crimes?

    Same as above.

    And, let's quickly add that the "murder" tag is disputed because it is not "the unlawful taking of human life", as legally described, but is, to many of us, the immoral taking of a human life.
    So how about "baby killer"? Isn't that a valid label?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Wouldn't they be 100% complicit? That much seems obvious.
    Many times it's very young girls who don't get both sides of the story, and make a bad uninformed choice.

    Don't we generally shun those guilty of murder and other crimes?
    "Shun" is an odd word, and you're maybe asking the wrong guy (yeah, I know, I stumbled willingly into your little trap ) because I'm drawn to those types - including murderers.

    So how about "baby killer"? Isn't that a valid label?
    For the abortionist, sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    This is not a debate area. If you would like us to move it elsewhere, please let us know.
    I shoulda looked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The question would be to what degree are they complicit in the "murder" performed by the abortionist.
    To what degree is someone who hires a killer to murder someone else - complicit in the murder?

    Pretty complicit, wouldn't you say?

    The implication is that the women getting the abortions are murderers. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    let's quickly add that the "murder" tag is disputed because it is not "the unlawful taking of human life", as legally described, but is, to many of us, the immoral taking of a human life.

    Duly noted and welcomed. Yet if you're not talking about an illegal killing, the word "murder" isn't appropriate. Why not just call it an "immoral killing", rather than going for the low-hanging and emotionally-charged "murder"?

    Does the state murder prisoners on death row if someone disputes the justification for the killing? People interested in hyperbole will say so, yes, but the rest of us know that "no" is the correct answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    To what degree is someone who hires a killer to murder someone else - complicit in the murder?

    Pretty complicit, wouldn't you say?
    That's being unduly harsh, but I understand why this is necessary for you to portray it in those terms.

    The implication is that the women getting the abortions are murderers. Right?
    It's always fun when somebody is trying to stuff words in my mouth. But, again, I can see why.

    Duly noted and welcomed. Yet if you're not talking about an illegal killing, the word "murder" isn't appropriate.
    That's the argument, yes.

    Why not just call it an "immoral killing", rather than going for the low-hanging and emotionally-charged "murder"?
    Feel free to use that term if you'd like.

    Does the state murder prisoners on death row if someone disputes the justification for the killing?
    The state is authorized to take the life by law - or not.

    People interested in hyperbole will say so, yes, but the rest of us know that "no" is the correct answer.[/COLOR]
    Trying to figure out why there's a color tag there, yet I see no color.

    So, bottom line - it appears this whole argument is to object to the Christian right calling it murder, yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    To what degree is someone who hires a killer to murder someone else - complicit in the murder?

    Pretty complicit, wouldn't you say?

    The implication is that the women getting the abortions are murderers. Right?
    Lest somebody go all nuts and accuse me of avoiding the questions....

    Many times it's a desperate girl in a desperate situation who has been led (or taken) to a "clinic" to deal with her "problem".
    The "experts" give her the guidance she "needs", and "protect" her from the notion that she may be doing anything immoral.
    She is advised it's "just tissue", and she is most likely NOT shown any sonogram or any sign that it's a human life, and the whole con is to convince her she is NOT "taking a human life".

    How SHAMEFUL is it to imply, then, that she should be considered complicit in a "murder" when she was convinced it was "just tissue"?

    So, no, it's not an automatic "she hired the murderer" scenario at all.

    This really is one of the sorriest approaches to mocking the pro-life position, but it's not the first time I've seen it.
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