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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ah, OK. I'm STILL hoping it was a typical "dumb comment", and he actually intended the National Guard.

    Time for an interesting lesson in using the military against one's own citizens?

    1993, there was a battle raging over control of the Russian White House, and Boris Yeltsin had a fight on his hands with the Russian parliament. The military was doing their best to try to remain neutral, but there came a point at which a former military commander convinced some of his active duty commanders to act.

    Long story short, a column of army tanks was headed to the White House, and had to cross the Novy Arbat bridge on the way, where a small crowed of demonstrators was blocking the way. The tank commander was in the second tank, so as the first tank stopped on the bridge, the commander popped the hatch and yelled "what's wrong". The commander of the lead tank yelled, "there's a woman on the bridge and she won't move". The commanding officer yelled, "Well RUN HER OVER", to which the lead tank's driver yelled - "I CAN'T!!!! She's my MOTHER!!!!"

    Not just a 'dumb comment'. The Defense Secretary himself broke with Trump over it.

    https://www.abccolumbia.com/2020/06/...urrection-act/

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    The secretary also said that he does not support the deployment of active duty military troops on city streets, as President Donald Trump has threatened to order, saying the National Guard is best suited for providing support to local law enforcement.

    He called the use of active duty forces “a matter of last resort” and said he does not support invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, which allows the president to deploy active duty troops within the United States under limited circumstances.

    “We are not in one of those situations now,” Esper said.

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    If you don't want to read ABC, it's all over the news. Pick your outlet.

    here's one from fox:

    https://www.fox13news.com/news/defen...y-for-protests
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Not just a 'dumb comment'. The Defense Secretary himself broke with Trump over it.

    https://www.abccolumbia.com/2020/06/...urrection-act/

    Source: above

    The secretary also said that he does not support the deployment of active duty military troops on city streets, as President Donald Trump has threatened to order, saying the National Guard is best suited for providing support to local law enforcement.

    He called the use of active duty forces “a matter of last resort” and said he does not support invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, which allows the president to deploy active duty troops within the United States under limited circumstances.

    “We are not in one of those situations now,” Esper said.

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    If you don't want to read ABC, it's all over the news. Pick your outlet.

    here's one from fox:

    https://www.fox13news.com/news/defen...y-for-protests
    Interesting thing is, this is what you leftist wanted Trump to do, at least carp certainly did. You wanted martial law to be declared to save us from the scary pandemic. You were willing to allow Trump to do this for that cause. Now all of a sudden it's an issue.
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    No tear gas. It was the Park Police, not Trump or the Secret Service, and they were not being peaceful..


    “At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids,” the USPP said in a statement. “The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.”

    Still, the Park Police acknowledged using smoke canisters and pepper balls on the protesters.

    “As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls when protestors did scatter from the area," the statement said.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/par...r-gas-was-used

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    No tear gas. It was the Park Police, not Trump or the Secret Service, and they were not being peaceful..


    “At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids,” the USPP said in a statement. “The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.”

    Still, the Park Police acknowledged using smoke canisters and pepper balls on the protesters.

    “As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls when protestors did scatter from the area," the statement said.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/par...r-gas-was-used
    According to Muriel Bowser, Lafayette Park is under White House police jurisdiction. She said it was not metro police that cleared the park, but were federal police. If true, then federal police are still riding horses, because I saw horses. I also saw tear gas.

    ETA: Australian eyewitness report
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sto...cops/?cs=14231
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    According to Muriel Bowser, Lafayette Park is under White House police jurisdiction. She said it was not metro police that cleared the park, but were federal police. If true, then federal police are still riding horses, because I saw horses. I also saw tear gas.

    ETA: Australian eyewitness report
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sto...cops/?cs=14231
    the article I linked to said it was the US Park Police. And what you saw were smoke canisters. Did you even read what I posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    the article I linked to said it was the US Park Police. And what you saw were smoke canisters. Did you even read what I posted?
    I'm thinking that more than one agency was present in the park, because there was definitely tear gas used.

    No, I hadn't. I was going by the video I watched and the Australian report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    the article I linked to said it was the US Park Police. And what you saw were smoke canisters. Did you even read what I posted?
    It's kinda crazy, because there's the Secret Service, the Capital Police, the Park Police, and several other agencies in DC who have overlapping responsibilities and jurisdictions. And, I've found a number of times where one is identified as the other, making it confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    I'm thinking that more than one agency was present in the park, because there was definitely tear gas used.

    No, I hadn't. I was going by the video I watched and the Australian report.
    OK, I think there's a distinction that SMOKE was used, but not tear-gas. To the untrained observer (or the ignorant leftist media) it could be seen as "tear gas".



    Caption - Authorities have admitted to deploying smoke canisters and PepperBalls. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

    The cops are standing there in it, NOT wearing gas masks.
    Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-03-2020 at 01:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    OK, I think there's a distinction that SMOKE was used, but not tear-gas. To the untrained observer (or the ignorant leftist media) it could be seen as "tear gas".

    Caption - Authorities have admitted to deploying smoke canisters and PepperBalls. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
    What is the purpose of smoke canisters to disperse a crowd? It makes it more difficult for authorities to see them.

    And I saw people gagging in a haze on the videos. I would have to believe that "smoke" caused it? Perhaps the Park Police used smoke (for what purpose, I don't know) but someone used tear gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    What is the purpose of smoke canisters to disperse a crowd? It makes it more difficult for authorities to see them.
    It makes it more difficult for the protestors to see each other, and to see the police - it creates confusion while the police reposition, or change strategy.

    And I saw people gagging in a haze on the videos. I would have to believe that "smoke" caused it? Perhaps the Park Police used smoke (for what purpose, I don't know) but someone used tear gas.
    Could well be a psychological effect -- see smoke, assume tear gas, try to hold your breath.... I really don't know - just telling you what they're saying, and noting the officers don't seem to be wearing gas masks. BEFORE they deployed tear gas, they'd "mask up".
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