White Supremicisit groups posing as Antifa call for violence amid protests.

[Cow Poke]

Then explain a non-circular difference between an Antifa member, and a regular protester.

Hmmmm..... a peaceful protester is not carrying bricks or rocks, or "facing off" with police, or smashing windows, or screaming profanities.... It's been LONG AGO, but I remember where we were taught to scan the crowd looking for potential troublemakers, and it usually isn't hard because they're way more focused on what's around them than on the protest itself.

It's like they say about pornography -- I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it.

Then what is the basis for the statement that most Antifa members are violent?

Their own [unofficial] spokesman - I cited some of his stuff.

Half the time I'm just trying to figure it out.

That's why I never get mad at you. You actually can be reasoned with, unlike some of our other.... um.... 'liberals'.

[Leonhard]

Hmmmm..... a peaceful protester is not carrying bricks or rocks, or "facing off" with police, or smashing windows, or screaming profanities....

See, now you're defining Antifa as people displaying violent tendencies. You can't have it both ways Cow Poke, you can't claim Antifa are violent, and then define them in terms of violence. You might as well say "violent protesters".

I usually recognise them because they wear black, and they wear face covering. You can look up a lot of videos and just start counting. But I don't find as many accounts of violence as I find protesters. So I have to ask you, where do you get your information that most of the Antifa are violent.

It's like they say about pornography -- I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it.

You get a lot of blinders on and "how do you know" when it comes to conservatives though. That's for sure.

Their own [unofficial] spokesman - I cited some of his stuff.

I've honestly seen far more citations that they're peaceful, and I've seen too many videos to believe out of hand that most of them are violent. I think that what is happening is that you and Sparko are seeing a handful of clashes between alt-right activists, and Antifa members.

That's why I never get mad at you. You actually can be reasoned with, unlike some of our other.... um.... 'liberals'.

Thank you I also find you reasonable, you don't just automatically disagree. You actually think about what you say, which is kinda rare on any forum.

[Leonhard]

How do you know that? How do you know he didn't just want people to run in panic?

Because that's what some alt-righters want. They want that violent clash. I've been on those forums. They'll do it just because it'll be a hoot, and then they'll work hard on blaming it on the leftists, because that's been their tactics these past four years.

[Cow Poke]

See, now you're defining Antifa as people displaying violent tendencies.

Actually, I hadn't gone there yet.

You can't have it both ways Cow Poke, you can't claim Antifa are violent, and then define them in terms of violence. You might as well say "violent protesters".

Take the time to read their "handbook", Leon. It's eye-opening. They JUSTIFY violence as necessary for change.

I usually recognise them because they wear black, and they wear face covering. You can look up a lot of videos and just start counting. But I don't find as many accounts of violence as I find protesters. So I have to ask you, where do you get your information that most of the Antifa are violent.

Same as above.

You get a lot of blinders on and "how do you know" when it comes to conservatives though. That's for sure.

I've honestly seen far more citations that they're peaceful,

It's kinda like --- do you ever expect the Devil to show up at your door in a red suit, forked tail, holding a pitchfork, smelling of sulfur and announcing "hey, I'm the devil, I'm here to deceive you"?

and I've seen too many videos to believe out of hand that most of them are violent. I think that what is happening is that you and Sparko are seeing a handful of clashes between alt-right activists, and Antifa members.

I don't defend the violence of either, and I abhor the violence of both.

Thank you I also find you reasonable, you don't just automatically disagree. You actually think about what you say, which is kinda rare on any forum.

I'm really thinking there's such a vast cultural difference between your surroundings and the crisis in the US, and I'm suspecting that you get your news from sources critical of the 'conservatives' in the US. But I don't know that, and am not assuming it.

[Leonhard]

[QUOTE=Cow Poke;745093]Actually, I hadn't gone there yet.

Take the time to read their "handbook", Leon. It's eye-opening. They JUSTIFY violence as necessary for change.

You mean the Antifa Handbook? The one that mainly describes the history of anti-fascists movements, and describes how facists tended to rise to power? Which leaves with a conclusion that is mainly political, with violence not really being sufficient in the long run, but that anti-fascists ought to "better at politics"? That advices the use of self-defense, when fascists show up?

Source: Antifa Handbook

When I asked Jim from London Anti-Fascists how to com-bat popular far-right parties, he replied, "We can’t just hope to defeat a far-right electoral project in the way we would defeat a fascist street movement. Instead we need to be better at our politics than they are at theirs."

© Copyright Original Source

https://libcom.org/files/Antifa,%20T...ndbook.pdf#207

I don't defend the violence of either, and I abhor the violence of both.

You and me both. Though I will always defend self-defense.

I'm really thinking there's such a vast cultural difference between your surroundings and the crisis in the US, and I'm suspecting that you get your news from sources critical of the 'conservatives' in the US. But I don't know that, and am not assuming it.

You and Sparko, Rumtum, Mountain Man, seer, etc... all speak with huge disdain for leftist media "MSM", but not a word of critique about Fox News, Breitbart etc... so I think it is fair to guess that you get most, if not all of your news from there. I don't use those news sources, I just use video recordings, police reports, etc... And when I do report on news I also specifically label it as such, because there's just always a level of distrust with news in general.

[Cow Poke]

Gonna start here....

You and Sparko, Rumtum, Mountain Man, seer, etc... all speak with huge disdain for leftist media "MSM",

Because I remember a time when they could be trusted to give us NEWS, not liberal narrative and rhetoric and slant and opinion.

but not a word of critique about Fox News, Breitbart etc...

I don't watch Fox News or Breitbart. I DO recognize that Fox News sprung up because millions of Americans got tired of being lied to by the MSM.
The only Breitbart to which I am exposed is what MM posts.

so I think it is fair to guess that you get most, if not all of your news from there.

You'd be wrong.

I don't use those news sources, I just use video recordings, police reports, etc... And when I do report on news I also specifically label it as such, because there's just always a level of distrust with news in general.

I try to find balance -- I see a source, often from RealClearPolitics, then I try to find the other side --- I try not to post articles from "conservative" news sites, because I know the left fringe here will attack the source, first. So if I see something on Drudge or RCP, I try to find a liberal source that deals with the same subject.

All too often, in my opinion, the MSM 'neglects' to report on things that aren't in line with the liberal agenda.

Just being honest!

[JimL]

DPS: Antifa Linked to Texas Protest Violence

The Texas Department of Public Safety has confirmed it is investigating links between violent extremists, including Antifa, and some of the violence at recent protests about the death of George Floyd.

The Texas Rangers and DPS agents are working with their counterparts at the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Joint Terrorism Taskforce to pursue individuals who have been involved in inciting riots or looting in the state of Texas, DPS Director Steven McGraw said Tuesday.

“We are talking about violent extremists. There’s anarchists. There’s Antifa, but there are also criminals that are using this as an opportunity to exploit and to loot and hurt others. That’s happened” said McGraw. “We have a long memory. We have recorded evidence, and we will continue to investigate each and every event to identify those individuals who were involved in criminal conduct and make the appropriate arrests based on probable cause and getting prosecution from either the district attorney or U.S. Attorney’s Office.”

McGraw said DPS has had special agents embedded with the protestors to try to identify the violent infiltrators. Some have already been identified and are expected to be arrested.

McGraw pointed to the May 31 protest and looting at a Target store in Austin as a violent act that was organized by Antifa via the Internet.

“The protest and looting of Target in Austin that was done and organized by an Antifa web page and of course, the surveillance that was provided over the internet identifying where law enforcement resources were staged, was done over Antifa accounts.”

Twitter suspended an account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa. The newly created account with the handle @ANTIFA_US tweeted on Sunday: “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say ‘F— The City’ and we move into the residential areas… the white hoods…. and we take what’s ours …”

So, nothing specific.

It is interesting that the right keeps mentioning Antifa but never mention any of the alt right groups by name. Ever notice that, CP? Trump and Barr keep doing the same even though they never substantiate their assertions. And if you correctly comprehended the last paragraph in the article you would have understood that the account cited was not Antifa, it was a white nationalist organization masquerading as Antifa.

[Cow Poke]

So, nothing specific.

How DO you type with your eyes closed?

[JimL]

How DO you type with your eyes closed?

How do you read, with your mind closed?

[Leonhard]

You'd be wrong.

And so would you be if you think I get my news from the "MSM", you might be surprised to know that the only time I link to american news sites is when I'm looking up things people have said on this forum, or following their links. The closest I get is when I want to cite something several news sites are saying.

I try not to post articles from "conservative" news sites, because I know the left fringe here will attack the source, first. So if I see something on Drudge or RCP, I try to find a liberal source that deals with the same subject.

I try to do something similar since if I don't I'll be accused of just following the MSM.

[Cow Poke]

And so would you be if you think I get my news from the "MSM",

I was thinking more like CNN World or BBC or something.

you might be surprised to know that the only time I link to american news sites is when I'm looking up things people have said on this forum, or following their links. The closest I get is when I want to cite something several news sites are saying.

Doesn't surprise me at all.

I try to do something similar since if I don't I'll be accused of just following the MSM.

[seanD]

Can someone explain to me why there are no minority antifa members? I have not seen one minority, ever, zero, and I've seen a slew of photos and videos about antifa. Not one minority. Note to the internet sleuths that read this, your google search is going to have be very extensive if you're going to try and find at least one.

Doesn't that strike anyone a bit odd considering it's a leftist movement that supposedly fights against racism? I mean I've even seen minority Proud Boys members (even if you want to argue they're just tokens), ironically the group often called a "white supremacist" group by the left. Not ONE minority antifa member. Not even a token.

[whag]

sure

Let's not split hairs, CP. Everyone is seeing those types of fake posts, which must mean that these are groups not just a group.

[seanD]

Let's not split hairs, CP. Everyone is seeing those types of fake posts, which must mean that these are groups not just a group.

I don't see how twitter could possibly distinguish these groups from the other. Antifa claims they're against racism and white supremacy, but so what. We know antifa engages in violence. We know antifa has an all white membership. We have video footage of antifa instigating violence among black movements. Forget what they claim and look at their actions.

[Sparko]

See, now you're defining Antifa as people displaying violent tendencies. You can't have it both ways Cow Poke, you can't claim Antifa are violent, and then define them in terms of violence. You might as well say "violent protesters".

I usually recognise them because they wear black, and they wear face covering. You can look up a lot of videos and just start counting. But I don't find as many accounts of violence as I find protesters. So I have to ask you, where do you get your information that most of the Antifa are violent.



You get a lot of blinders on and "how do you know" when it comes to conservatives though. That's for sure.



I've honestly seen far more citations that they're peaceful, and I've seen too many videos to believe out of hand that most of them are violent. I think that what is happening is that you and Sparko are seeing a handful of clashes between alt-right activists, and Antifa members.



Thank you I also find you reasonable, you don't just automatically disagree. You actually think about what you say, which is kinda rare on any forum.

antifa throwing rocks and a bomb:

antifa throwing fire bombs at police in paris:

Some links from Mountain Man I found in some earlier threads:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...g-12041287.php

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Antifa leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism -- as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred.

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"People put on the masks so that we can all become anonymous, right? And then, therefore, we are able to move more freely and do what we need to do, whether it is illegal or not."

[...]

Antifa activists often don't hesitate to destroy property, which many see as the incarnation of unfair wealth distribution.

"Violence against windows -- there's no such thing as violence against windows," a masked Antifa member in Union Square told CNN. "Windows don't have -- they're not persons. And even when they are persons, the people we fight back against, they are evil. They are the living embodiment, they are the second coming of Hitler."

[...]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/18/u...eft/index.html
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