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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAre these from TV shows, or actual video of actual events?
Then there was the case of the guy who had tried to run away from a cop, the one I keep mentioning where the police report of what happened wildly diverged from what actually took place. He got shot in the back, and then... the guy just wanders around, talking into his radio, you can see the guy shot moving around on the ground for minutes. Eventually one of them (there was more than one) walks over "checks on him" and walks away again.
Then there was the case of the guy who got shot in his own apartment, and the officer who shot him just kept talking into her radio. In the call she made, which has been made public, you can hear him in the background. No one is instructing her to stop the bleeding, or anything like that.
And in each of those situations, I just couldn't understand that if the officer shoots someone. Like Castille, like the guy in his apartment... why don't they help?
Maybe you're right, maybe they're so pumped up on adrenaline that there's just nothing coherent they can do afterward. Or Mountain Man is right that there's selection bias, in that if they had done the life-saving measures, these cases wouldn't have become what they had.
Thank you for explaining it Cow Poke, because, to me, it just seems so weird.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIt's actually been from all the high profile unjust shootings we've seen here on tweb. And each time I noticed that the person shot was still alive for several minutes, but the officer in question was doing nothing at all to help them. Phillip Castillo, the officer shot a man point-blank who had tried to cooperate but had mistakingly reached for his glove compartment in a moment of confusion. Even after being shot, you can hear Castillo croaking out some words, trying to explain something to the officer. Mostly the officer just stands there for minutes shouting what I only remember as 'cop talk' into his radio.
Then there was the case of the guy who had tried to run away from a cop, the one I keep mentioning where the police report of what happened wildly diverged from what actually took place. He got shot in the back, and then... the guy just wanders around, talking into his radio, you can see the guy shot moving around on the ground for minutes. Eventually one of them (there was more than one) walks over "checks on him" and walks away again.
Then there was the case of the guy who got shot in his own apartment, and the officer who shot him just kept talking into her radio. In the call she made, which has been made public, you can hear him in the background. No one is instructing her to stop the bleeding, or anything like that.
And in each of those situations, I just couldn't understand that if the officer shoots someone. Like Castille, like the guy in his apartment... why don't they help?
Maybe you're right, maybe they're so pumped up on adrenaline that there's just nothing coherent they can do afterward. Or Mountain Man is right that there's selection bias, in that if they had done the life-saving measures, these cases wouldn't have become what they had.
Thank you for explaining it Cow Poke, because, to me, it just seems so weird.
A lot happens - you've just taken a human life (or that appears to be the obvious outcome) and you're going to get flooded with questions - did he have a gun, was there another option, what was his mental state.... etc, etc, etc.... your mind goes crazy with the "what ifs", especially if this is your first Officer Involved Shooting.
Are you aware that the vast majority of cops never fire their weapon in the line of duty?
In fact, only about a quarter (27%) of all officers say they have ever fired their service weapon while on the job, according to a separate Pew Research Center survey conducted by the National Police Research Platform. The survey was conducted May 19-Aug. 14, 2016, among a nationally representative sample of 7,917 sworn officers working in 54 police and sheriff’s departments with 100 or more officers.
So, you're trying to flush the adrenaline, calm down, figure out how to report this to headquarters, because EVERYTHING you say will be on 911 tapes and your body cam.....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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