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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    That's nice, but it had nothing to do with you combating disinformation from social media.

    I was pretty careful to not make any claims as to what actually happened. So, while your video counts as somewhat credible information, it's largely irrelevant to what I said.
    But you were arguing a hypothetical about meth and its effects based on a situation that wasn't true. Wouldn't you want to argue a hypothetical based on a situation that was accurate in the details?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    No that's not what happened at all. This disinfo on social media thing really is a problem...

    Thanks seanD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    But you were arguing a hypothetical about meth and its effects based on a situation that wasn't true.
    Technically, we don't know this yet. At somewhere close to the 4 minute mark in the video, it jumps from two or more officers trying to wrestle Floyd in/out of the police SUV to 3 officers kneeling on him. Yes, the audio doesn't talk about an attack taking place, and I admit your video suggests it didn't - but not persuasively enough for me to conclude that in-fact no attack took place.

    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Wouldn't you want to argue a hypothetical based on a situation that was accurate in the details?
    Yes I would. I see nothing in this video which contradicts an alleged attack taking place - but I do admit that most of the video is consistent with Floyd merely resisting the officers, rather than attacking them.

    I took issue with your glib indictment of my hypothesis as social media disinformation. I still do, though I'm not annoyed that much any more. I still haven't seen anything which invalidates the hypothesis about the relevance of the blood toxicology. AND it's just a hypothesis, for the sake of discussion; you overreacted to it.

    You're welcome to question/criticize anything and everything I write here, but for future reference, please note that I try to be precise about what I write/post, and will admit when I misspoke. I did not do that here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    Technically, we don't know this yet. At somewhere close to the 4 minute mark in the video, it jumps from two or more officers trying to wrestle Floyd in/out of the police SUV to 3 officers kneeling on him. Yes, the audio doesn't talk about an attack taking place, and I admit your video suggests it didn't - but not persuasively enough for me to conclude that in-fact no attack took place.


    Yes I would. I see nothing in this video which contradicts an alleged attack taking place - but I do admit that most of the video is consistent with Floyd merely resisting the officers, rather than attacking them.

    I took issue with your glib indictment of my hypothesis as social media disinformation. I still do, though I'm not annoyed that much any more. I still haven't seen anything which invalidates the hypothesis about the relevance of the blood toxicology. AND it's just a hypothesis, for the sake of discussion; you overreacted to it.

    You're welcome to question/criticize anything and everything I write here, but for future reference, please note that I try to be precise about what I write/post, and will admit when I misspoke. I did not do that here.
    I thought the idea that the officers let Floyd out of the vehicle and he attacked them vs. they're struggling with Floyd inside the vehicle, and then drag him out to the ground was a contradiction worth labeling disinfo. I guess you disagree. Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    EGGzackly -- but that's the kind of talk that drives our local fringe extremist liberals nuts --- you're DEFENDING THE MURDERER... You're BLAMING THE VICTIM!!!
    As prophesied, and it didn't take long....

    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The real problem is the pattern.
    Yes, you definitely have a pattern.

    Just like with arbery, you and others seek out what may have been wrong with the victim and focus on that when given the circumstances it just doesn't matter.

    The sad truth is, in both cases it matters because they were black. They are dead. They were killed unjustly, without cause or justifiable provocation. In such cases, whatever their weak moments had been, we typically do not turn our focus on them, out of respect for what they suffered, out of disdain for what was done to them.

    At least, that is what is normal if the victim is white.
    Your accusation that I "seek out what may have been wrong with the victim and focus on that" is just more of your.... I'd call it a lie, but I think you're so screwed up in the head that you don't even know you're doing it.

    I seek out ALL the facts, and allow them to lead where they lead, and in NEITHER of these cases have I blamed the victim or excused the killer.

    IF these cases DO go to court, nobody is going to say, "well, gosh folks, we need to respect the victim, so we can't allow ANY testimony that in ANY way tarnishes the angelic reputation of the victim...."

    Are you one of the nutters who looks at the mural of George Floyd as an ANGEL, complete with wings and a halo, and deeply sighs, and says, "yes, he's right up there with Mother Teresa....". I have ABSOLUTELY condemned his murder, AND called for the other three to be called to account, AND stated that I believed the Police Chief should be fired as well, because WHOEVER Floyd was and WHATEVER he did cannot -- in my WILDEST IMAGINATION -- justify his murder.

    I'm going back to trying to decline to respond to your extremely one-sided can't-stand-the-truth I'm-so-virtuous-and-you-guys-are-racist - rants, Jim.

    I'm really tired of your crap. Get help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I thought the idea that the officers let Floyd out of the vehicle and he attacked them vs. they're struggling with Floyd inside the vehicle, and then drag him out to the ground was a contradiction worth labeling disinfo.
    If that's all you were trying to say, then I would have responded differently.

    I wont drag this out further. You can have the last word if you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Whatever race, ethnicity or whatever, we should ALWAYS look at ALL the facts of the case before coming to a judgment as to how the incident came about, and who is responsible. If new facts come to light, we should be ready to revise our judgment, if need be, in the light of them. We are looking for the truth, no matter how uncomfortable for us it may be, right?
    It's amazing that those who bow in reverence to "the scientific method", and blast ANYBODY who "questions the science", would think it's somehow virtuous to ONLY look at the facts that support their narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    I'm not sure I agree; meth can obviously make some people act recklessly.
    Incredibly so.

    Of course, while I haven't seen all of it, the video footage I have seen shows Floyd as docile. There may be testimony or additional footage which shows otherwise, but right now, the meth evidence doesn't seem very persuasive (as a potential defense for the police).
    As I have repeatedly said, I see nothing - and even in my WILDEST IMAGINATION, I can think of nothing - that justifies the knee on the neck for that length of time, or any length of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    You are always trying to make a complex situation into a simple open and shut case, where one side is completely at fault, and the other is completely innocent. Real life is seldom that simple, and we can only determine that if we look at all the facts. Which you are determined not to do, since you 'already know' who is right, and who is wrong, just by the colour of their skin. THAT is racist.
    After my incredibly stellar, yet short, career in police work, I continued to consult as investigator for several law enforcement agencies. (I still do, though not as much)

    I had a really good teacher, who had hammered into me....

    A) NEVER assume you know all the facts
    2) ALWAYS assume that the other side has something you know nothing about
    3) ALWAYS do "opposition research" on your OWN client to make sure he's not hiding something, or there's something of which he is unaware that the other side will discover
    D) People lie - always check out what they say - especially your own client - to make sure you can defend it in court
    5) Investigate your own client just as thoroughly as the other side will, so there are no surprises
    F) After you are sure that you have gathered ALL the facts, go to A)

    One of the best feelings in the world is when the other side 'springs a surprise' in court, and you're able to say, 'your honor, we'd like to enter exhibit H which details....', and show that, not only did you already know about it, you were able to successfully explain, disqualify, defeat or whatever.

    It AMAZES me that the extremist left nutters want to slam their eyes shut and declare "THAT DOESN'T MATTER" or "THAT IS IRRELEVANT". Why be so afraid of the TRUTH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    As prophesied, and it didn't take long....



    Yes, you definitely have a pattern.



    Your accusation that I "seek out what may have been wrong with the victim and focus on that" is just more of your.... I'd call it a lie, but I think you're so screwed up in the head that you don't even know you're doing it.

    I seek out ALL the facts, and allow them to lead where they lead, and in NEITHER of these cases have I blamed the victim or excused the killer.

    IF these cases DO go to court, nobody is going to say, "well, gosh folks, we need to respect the victim, so we can't allow ANY testimony that in ANY way tarnishes the angelic reputation of the victim...."

    Are you one of the nutters who looks at the mural of George Floyd as an ANGEL, complete with wings and a halo, and deeply sighs, and says, "yes, he's right up there with Mother Teresa....". I have ABSOLUTELY condemned his murder, AND called for the other three to be called to account, AND stated that I believed the Police Chief should be fired as well, because WHOEVER Floyd was and WHATEVER he did cannot -- in my WILDEST IMAGINATION -- justify his murder.

    I'm going back to trying to decline to respond to your extremely one-sided can't-stand-the-truth I'm-so-virtuous-and-you-guys-are-racist - rants, Jim.

    I'm really tired of your crap. Get help.
    The evidence is in the thread. The majority of the posts dealing with 'the facts' are targeting flaws in the victims. That is what I am responding to, that is what I am basing my criticism on. I've seen no extended discussion on the fact Floyd's killer had 18 incidents of excessive force on his record. But there is an entire thread devoted to the fact Floyd might have had covid, with a heavy dose of discussion on what drugs were in his system. The arbery thread focuses almost exclusively on what Arbery may have done wrong and mostly ignores discussion of the abusive nature of the chase or the overly aggressive actions of all three of the chasers. Not only that, every single comment about excess or abuse of the chasers was immediately countered with 'but arbery...' as a response.

    This is the reality I have observed. And it speaks much louder than any claimed objectivity or pretense of 'waiting for the facts'.

    It is what it is. You cant change it. It's already done and there for all to see. But it speaks loud and clear to the bias and the unspoken racist elements driving the discussion.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-06-2020 at 05:33 PM.
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