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    Floyd Tested Positive for Covid

    Not that it makes any difference. He also had meth in his system.

    Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus
    A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

    The report released Wednesday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office is dated May 25, the same day Floyd died. In video taken by bystanders, Floyd, 46, is shown repeatedly pleading that he cannot breathe as he is held face down with a knee on his neck by former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin, as other officers stand by. The incident has sparked nationwide — and even worldwide — protests.

    Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide.

    The autopsy report concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family, which listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."
    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/86927...or-coronavirus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    Not that it makes any difference. He also had meth in his system.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/86927...or-coronavirus
    As much as I don't want to distract from the apparent murder, the substances in Floyd's system at the time of his death are a valid part of the picture. However, I wonder how often active-patrol-duty officers are tested for drugs.

    I hope Cowpoke can chime in, but in the death of a suspect, would the cops who were involved be screened? Or are they screened on some regular schedule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    As much as I don't want to distract from the apparent murder, the substances in Floyd's system at the time of his death are a valid part of the picture. However, I wonder how often active-patrol-duty officers are tested for drugs.

    I hope Cowpoke can chime in, but in the death of a suspect, would the cops who were involved be screened? Or are they screened on some regular schedule?
    I know there are companies out there that do random drug tests. I never thought about police departments doing it though it makes sense. Unlike the general population, officers have more opportunity to come in contact with illicit drugs.

    Whether or not there was meth in Floyd's system is probably moot. Cops deal with meth users all the time. But for the trial, and for testing positive for covid, I can see Chauvin's attorney arguing that covid caused Floyd's death and not Chauvin.

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    Let's say that Floyd died from a combination of the neck kneeling, Covid infection and the drugs in his system (something which I think some people won't even grant as a possibility to be considered), I think that even then those police officers** clearly failed in their duty of care to a suspect in custody. Disgusting and tragic.

    **originally I wrote 'the police', but then I realised that I was unintentionally blaming a large and very diverse organisation for the misdeeds of a few. Interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Let's say that Floyd died from a combination of the neck kneeling, Covid infection and the drugs in his system (something which I think some people won't even grant as a possibility to be considered), I think that even then those police officers** clearly failed in their duty of care to a suspect in custody. Disgusting and tragic.

    **originally I wrote 'the police', but then I realised that I was unintentionally blaming a large and very diverse organisation for the misdeeds of a few. Interesting...
    The covid and drugs shouldn't really matter, IMO. Floyd told them he couldn't breathe and he wasn't cared for. That's what it will ultimately boil down to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Let's say that Floyd died from a combination of the neck kneeling, Covid infection and the drugs in his system (something which I think some people won't even grant as a possibility to be considered), I think that even then those police officers** clearly failed in their duty of care to a suspect in custody. Disgusting and tragic.
    The question of proximate vs ultimate cause is thorny, and it spans discussions far beyond this one.

    Humans tend to think in terms of there being a single cause for a single effect, but any weatherman will tell you that this is often false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    As much as I don't want to distract from the apparent murder, the substances in Floyd's system at the time of his death are a valid part of the picture. However, I wonder how often active-patrol-duty officers are tested for drugs.

    I hope Cowpoke can chime in, but in the death of a suspect, would the cops who were involved be screened? Or are they screened on some regular schedule?
    I can't really speak for other departments, but I think it's pretty standard to have the officer tested when it's an officer-involved shoooting, but don't really know about a wrongful death situation.... I've been out of the loop for quite a while as far as the procedural stuff.

    I CAN say that drugs in the subjects system can --- I remember the guy we had a complaint on, that he was arguing with a gas station owner, and when I pulled up, he literally (and I mean that in its true sense) ran to the front of my patrol unit, reached down and grabbed the bumper, and lifted the front end of the patrol vehicle almost off the ground. I've also seen a guy come running at us with an axe, and after being hit 5 times in the chest, was still swinging the axe with blood spurting everywhere.

    But here's the problem, and I fully expect to get major blowback from our extreme left fringe liberals.

    I talk about the agenda, and I see it playing out here...

    Mean vicious cop kills poor innocent saintly black person for no reason whatsoever.
    Portray the victim as totally blameless. There is actually a painting on the side of the Breakfast Club in Houston with George Floyd having angel wings and a halo.
    Portray the cop as ruthless and race motivated. (not so difficult in this particular case)

    When it becomes evident that the victim was not quite as saintly as first portrayed, then anybody bringing up any other factors that MAY have contributed is "defending the cop" or "blaming the victim".

    You have seen that narrative played out here in real time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    I know there are companies out there that do random drug tests. I never thought about police departments doing it though it makes sense. Unlike the general population, officers have more opportunity to come in contact with illicit drugs.
    The department with which I am associated does an initial drug screen prior to hire, then an annual unscheduled, along with "pop tests" allowed when it appears there's a problem.

    Whether or not there was meth in Floyd's system is probably moot. Cops deal with meth users all the time. But for the trial, and for testing positive for covid, I can see Chauvin's attorney arguing that covid caused Floyd's death and not Chauvin.
    In subsequent videos, when I saw the look in Floyd's eyes, and the expression on his face, I became a little concerned. I've seen that before.

    THAT IN NO WAY EXCUSES WHAT HAPPENED, but ALL FACTS should be weighed in any case like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Let's say that Floyd died from a combination of the neck kneeling, Covid infection and the drugs in his system (something which I think some people won't even grant as a possibility to be considered), I think that even then those police officers** clearly failed in their duty of care to a suspect in custody. Disgusting and tragic.
    I have actually tried to "devil's advocate" this case, and I can't, in my wildest imagination, come up with any justification for what Chauvin did. I almost have to believe there was bad blood between Chauvin and Floyd from their common job, but we don't know that.

    **originally I wrote 'the police', but then I realised that I was unintentionally blaming a large and very diverse organisation for the misdeeds of a few. Interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    The covid and drugs shouldn't really matter, IMO. Floyd told them he couldn't breathe and he wasn't cared for. That's what it will ultimately boil down to.
    REGARDLESS of the circumstances, once he's down and in cuffs, the battle is over.

    IF they had let him, and Floyd started fighting again, the optics would be WAY different, and I'd have to reconsider. The battle was over, Floyd had surrendered, and he clearly died at the hands (or knee) of the police.
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