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    The people that claim that white privilege is intrinsic in the formation and operation of the government leaves only one option. The US Constitution and government must be destroyed and replaced.

    The question then is what is the replacement? This means that we no longer are to have God-given rights. But what does this leave us -- government-created rights?

    What is the form of government? It requires either a violent overthrow or it requires that we turn the governance over to something else. This would either be an unstable government. It would be unstable by relying on power granted to a newly formed group which has no stablity. Alternatively, it would be turning power over to something like the United Nations who has much representation by non-Christian nations, who would be empowered by the UN. This would require tyrannical rule in order to suppress people fighting for their independence.

    Could a transition to a socialist form of government in America resolve this? This would mean an overthrow of the US Constitution. Plus, this would not take the form of government out of the designs of white people. Marx was white. You would have to have someone who is anti-white to make the system. How would this be okay for the many people who are okay with the system? (However, the schools train children to despise their own selves and make them open to undefined political options.)

    So, what is the solution to a non-white-privilege dilemma, if this idea of white-privilege has any signifance?

    Additional note. I would prefer all Americans enjoy a decent life unoppressed by government or companies around them. But instability through radical political change is not likely a solution. Nor have I heard anyone offering a clear solution to remove "privilege."
    Last edited by mikewhitney; 06-04-2020, 03:26 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    So, what is the solution to a non-white-privilege dilemma, if this idea of white-privilege has any signifance?
    Evolving demographics.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ronson View Post
      Evolving demographics.
      I don't follow what this achieves. We had the French takeover part of Canada. That resulted in many non-French being displaced. This is sort of the opposite of white-flight from areas of Los Angeles, leaving the area as a ghetto while not improving the economy there.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        I don't follow what this achieves. We had the French takeover part of Canada. That resulted in many non-French being displaced. This is sort of the opposite of white-flight from areas of Los Angeles, leaving the area as a ghetto while not improving the economy there.
        Once whites become a significant minority in this democracy then the systemic privilege for them can no longer exist. When a majority of legislators and judges and bureaucrats (etc) are non white, then there is no way white favor can still be assumed.

        What is more concerning - for me - is the elitist class. The OJ Simpson verdict is a perfect example of that. No matter the evidence against a person, privilege can purchased. Michael Jackson also avoided prison time because of large amounts of cash. Hollywood entertainers are serving mere days in jail for the college bribery on behalf of their kids.

        And it is the elitist class that has always made me wonder about the alleged Jeffrey Epstein suicide. He could have/should have bribed his guards with retirement in luxury with the amount of money he had, if they had only sneaked him out of confinement in the dark of night ... but now I stray.

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        • #5
          Technically, a black majority in government would not overcome the so-called white privilege. This white privilege is supposed to be inherent to the system itself. The caution then is that there is no known solution that does not further destroy the protections of the Constitution.

          The points you bring up are valid for another thread though.

          If there is another system that is viable (and of course not designed by privileged whites), it would be okay to discuss this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            The people that claim that white privilege is intrinsic in the formation and operation of the government leaves only one option. The US Constitution and government must be destroyed and replaced.
            I think most liberals in the US are satisfied with the just being reformed slowly over time by ammendments and supreme court decisions on its intepretation.

            What is the form of government?
            Democracy, nobody has been able to propose anything better.

            It requires either a violent overthrow or it requires that we turn the governance over to something else.
            Or just voting people in and slowly changing the system.

            Could a transition to a socialist form of government in America resolve this?
            Resolve what, you don't specify what problem is to be solved.

            Plus, this would not take the form of government out of the designs of white people. Marx was white.
            Karl Marx was one of the early writers on Socialism, but he isn't equal to Socialism. The ideas have evolved significantly over the years. It has especially been taken up by the feminists who have been remarkably successful, and they're the ones pushing for diversity and the importance of minorities; All of which is something that conservatives consider ridiculously PC.

            You would have to have someone who is anti-white to make the system.
            Or you could advance a broad diverse alliance aimed at dismantling such problems.

            Additional note. I would prefer all Americans enjoy a decent life unoppressed by government or companies around them.
            Me too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
              Technically, a black majority in government would not overcome the so-called white privilege.
              Not just government and not just blacks. A significant non-white majority in the population.

              This white privilege is supposed to be inherent to the system itself. The caution then is that there is no known solution that does not further destroy the protections of the Constitution.
              I'm not following you. Can you describe what is inherent in our Constitution that offers privilege to whites but not to blacks?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                The people that claim that white privilege is intrinsic in the formation and operation of the government leaves only one option. The US Constitution and government must be destroyed and replaced.
                That's false; there's more than one option. Here are a few:

                • The option you listed: start over. Rebuild the constitution and government.
                • Amend the existing constitution to ensure rights exist and are enforced independent on the race of the citizen
                • Culture changes to accept that existing laws are insufficient to address the inequalities embedded in the system. Social change.
                • Without modifying the country's founding documents, build institutions which ensure racial justice. Review boards which reject or validate the conclusions made by organizations where systemic racism has prevailed in the past.



                That's 3 more options than the one you assumed. Each has pros and cons.

                I don't know which one I prefer the most, but I'm damned-sure that "The US Constitution and government must be destroyed and replaced" isn't one of them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  I think most liberals in the US are satisfied with the just being reformed slowly over time by ammendments and supreme court decisions on its intepretation.

                  Democracy, nobody has been able to propose anything better.


                  Or just voting people in and slowly changing the system.

                  Resolve what, you don't specify what problem is to be solved.


                  Karl Marx was one of the early writers on Socialism, but he isn't equal to Socialism. The ideas have evolved significantly over the years. It has especially been taken up by the feminists who have been remarkably successful, and they're the ones pushing for diversity and the importance of minorities; All of which is something that conservatives consider ridiculously PC.


                  Or you could advance a broad diverse alliance aimed at dismantling such problems.


                  Me too.
                  Freminism has become something caustic nowadays. I would question the benefits to society that even from early feminism.

                  My concern was not that slow change could not occur. My concern was that people who claim there is white privilege inherent in the system thereby would dismiss the continuation of the US Constitution in any form.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                    I'm not following you. Can you describe what is inherent in our Constitution that offers privilege to whites but not to blacks?
                    I have the same question. However, I think that the very Constitution is vaguely challenged by saying it is a document establishing white privilege. We know there were some compromises to get the Constitution approved, but those issues have been resolved through amendments. By the vagueness of the challenge, I mean that there may not be any specific weakness that is addressed -- there just is a vague claim that the Constitution (and the related government system) promotes white privilege.
                    Last edited by mikewhitney; 06-04-2020, 05:05 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                      Freminism has become something caustic nowadays.
                      It has always been accused of that.

                      Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                      I would question the benefits to society that even from early feminism.
                      Women have the right to vote, and access to the workplace. Equality is being restored between men and women. Education is being opened to women, and the work of women is being recognised as well as historical mistakes where women should have been given honours: Discovery of DNA, discovery of nuclear fission, first published program for a computer, etc... Modern day feminism continues to work quite well.

                      My concern was that people who claim there is white privilege inherent in the system thereby would dismiss the continuation of the US Constitution in any form.
                      I'm more concerned with alt-righters legally taking over the government and instituting fascist principles in the name of traditionalism. That's happened before in the world. Denmark was neighbor to a country that went through that.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                        That's false; there's more than one option. Here are a few:

                        • The option you listed: start over. Rebuild the constitution and government.
                        • Amend the existing constitution to ensure rights exist and are enforced independent on the race of the citizen
                        • Culture changes to accept that existing laws are insufficient to address the inequalities embedded in the system. Social change.
                        • Without modifying the country's founding documents, build institutions which ensure racial justice. Review boards which reject or validate the conclusions made by organizations where systemic racism has prevailed in the past.



                        That's 3 more options than the one you assumed. Each has pros and cons.

                        I don't know which one I prefer the most, but I'm damned-sure that "The US Constitution and government must be destroyed and replaced" isn't one of them.
                        You somewhat have missed what I said. If the US Constitution and the government was designed in a fashion that intrinsially establishes this so-called white privilege, the implied requirement is that the US Constitution and government be displaced by something else. I'm not against fixing weaknesses. As you have shown, there are provisions. But what do we do if all the provisions for change also are defined as a continuation of a system of white privilege? The question then is, what change is being envisioned by those who say the system was wrong from the beginning?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                          It has always been accused of that.



                          Women have the right to vote, and access to the workplace. Equality is being restored between men and women. Education is being opened to women, and the work of women is being recognised as well as historical mistakes where women should have been given honours: Discovery of DNA, discovery of nuclear fission, first published program for a computer, etc... Modern day feminism continues to work quite well.



                          I'm more concerned with alt-righters legally taking over the government and instituting fascist principles in the name of traditionalism. That's happened before in the world. Denmark was neighbor to a country that went through that.
                          If there are alt-righters, they are likely a small group and highly disfavored by the right and left, alike. This is not the focus of this thread though.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            If there are alt-righters, they are likely a small group and highly disfavored by the right and left, alike. This is not the focus of this thread though.
                            So far they are small, but the election of Trump has envigorated them, and some of them have been cited favorably here more than once by members I won't mention. I think it's far more likely for them to rise to power, than for the US to turn into a communist tyranny like the Soviet Union.

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                            • #15
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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