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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    You somewhat have missed what I said. If the US Constitution and the government was designed in a fashion that intrinsially establishes this so-called white privilege, the implied requirement is that the US Constitution and government be displaced by something else.
    Again, I disagree that this is the only option available, and I listed several others.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I'm not against fixing weaknesses. As you have shown, there are provisions. But what do we do if all the provisions for change also are defined as a continuation of a system of white privilege? The question then is, what change is being envisioned by those who say the system was wrong from the beginning?
    As for your first question, the ability to amend the constitution (for example) doesn't by itself represent a racist policy, and it doesn't perpetuate racism inherent in that system.

    As for your second question, I honestly don't know. I have no idea as to how they'd fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    The people that claim that white privilege is intrinsic in the formation and operation of the government leaves only one option. The US Constitution and government must be destroyed and replaced.

    The question then is what is the replacement? This means that we no longer are to have God-given rights. But what does this leave us -- government-created rights?

    What is the form of government? It requires either a violent overthrow or it requires that we turn the governance over to something else. This would either be an unstable government. It would be unstable by relying on power granted to a newly formed group which has no stablity. Alternatively, it would be turning power over to something like the United Nations who has much representation by non-Christian nations, who would be empowered by the UN. This would require tyrannical rule in order to suppress people fighting for their independence.

    Could a transition to a socialist form of government in America resolve this? This would mean an overthrow of the US Constitution. Plus, this would not take the form of government out of the designs of white people. Marx was white. You would have to have someone who is anti-white to make the system. How would this be okay for the many people who are okay with the system? (However, the schools train children to despise their own selves and make them open to undefined political options.)

    So, what is the solution to a non-white-privilege dilemma, if this idea of white-privilege has any signifance?

    Additional note. I would prefer all Americans enjoy a decent life unoppressed by government or companies around them. But instability through radical political change is not likely a solution. Nor have I heard anyone offering a clear solution to remove "privilege."
    I still haven't heard anyone offering any clear solution.

    The one thing that seems clear to me, the constitution of the US is the source of the alleged white privilege. So they need to get rid of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maranatha View Post
    I still haven't heard anyone offering any clear solution.

    The one thing that seems clear to me, the constitution of the US is the source of the alleged white privilege. So they need to get rid of it.
    Before getting rid of the constitution maybe people could just try not being racist for a while. Give that a whirl and see if it sticks.

    Writing a new constitution is a lot of work, might be easier if everyone stopped being jerks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Before getting rid of the constitution maybe people could just try not being racist for a while. Give that a whirl and see if it sticks.

    Writing a new constitution is a lot of work, might be easier if everyone stopped being jerks.
    I'm looking at this thread and wondering when the trump supporters here will wake up to where Trump is taking us.

    Seriously, calling for an overthrow of the government itself instead of simply replacing the immature idiot driving the parade with someone capable of mature leadership and a unifying voice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    is this what those people are saying he speak against a system built on white privilege? Are such people okay with the status quo then or a revision of the whole system of government?
    Who is those people? They are not demonstrating against the Constitution. They are demonstrating against 'White privilege and White Supremacy.'

    It is a historical fact that . . . White privilege and supremacy has dominated the USA its whole history. The Constitution is the road to change. Things are changing slowly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Before getting rid of the constitution maybe people could just try not being racist for a while. Give that a whirl and see if it sticks.

    Writing a new constitution is a lot of work, might be easier if everyone stopped being jerks.
    Work the problem instead of just blab about it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Work the problem instead of just blab about it!
    Changing misguided minds is a critical part of working this problem. Indeed, most of what perpetuates misinformation is misguided minds.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-05-2020 at 06:56 AM.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maranatha View Post
    I still haven't heard anyone offering any clear solution.

    The one thing that seems clear to me, the constitution of the US is the source of the alleged white privilege. So they need to get rid of it.
    There's an old saying I think makes clear the answer to that; "don't throw out the baby with the bath water."

  10. Amen Cow Poke, oxmixmudd amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    There's an old saying I think makes clear the answer to that; "don't throw out the baby with the bath water."
    This is a public service announcement:

    My amen of this post by JimL was NOT in error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Changing misguided minds is a critical part of working this problem. Indeed, most of what perpetuates misinformation is misguided minds.
    Changing tactics might actually change minds.
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