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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I disagree - as our second black president (Bill Clinton was the first) he had a unique opportunity in time to speak to both sides as a uniter.
    Do you mean like the beer summit between the Cambridge police officer and Professor Louis Gates which was a divisive subject in the country at the time. I think we can all correctly guess what Trump would have done in that situation.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Do you mean like the beer summit between the Cambridge police officer and Professor Louis Gates which was a divisive subject in the country at the time. I think we can all correctly guess what Trump would have done in that situation.
      What is it you're smoking these days?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        What is it you're smoking these days?
        Another tipical inability to respond ad hominum attack.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
          Very early into his time in office, he gave some televised interview in which he said he didn't know how hard being president was going to be...
          Trump has made many, many statements which I'd consider for "best Trumpism of his Presidency", far too many to list, but the following would certainly make my top ten list:

          "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated." - Donald Trump, February 28, 2017
          "My favorite color in the alphabet is three." - Donald J. Trump
          "The 'J' in my middle name stands for 'Jenius'" - Donald J. Trump

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Reepicheep View Post
            Trump has made many, many statements which I'd consider for "best Trumpism of his Presidency", far too many to list, but the following would certainly make my top ten list:

            "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated." - Donald Trump, February 28, 2017
            Yes, that one is an absolute classic...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Reepicheep View Post
              Trump has made many, many statements which I'd consider for "best Trumpism of his Presidency", far too many to list, but the following would certainly make my top ten list:

              "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated." - Donald Trump, February 28, 2017
              I didn't know it could be so complicated either.

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              • #37
                We know him too well. At the last minute in October, the Repubs are going to throw him under the bus, and a replacement candidate from the traditional Repubs party will come forward, with the aim of continuing to wreck the Federal Government. They break it, then tell you it doesn’t work. Repub voters are easily pleased.
                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                “not all there” - you know who you are

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                  I didn't know it could be so complicated either.
                  Most everyone did.

                  You can be forgiven for not knowing, though, because you don't have an entire government's worth of scientists data and experts telling you "this is really complicated".

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                    Most everyone did.
                    Well anyone who was paying any attention at all during Obama's presidency and thus was exposed to at least some of the Obamacare saga knows how complicated US healthcare, and policies/laws relating to it, can be.

                    Possibly Trump slept through the Obama presidency and hasn't heard of Obamacare?

                    The thing is though, healthcare doesn't have to be complicated. The US just chooses to make it that way. The government could just choose to fund it for everyone like other countries do. But that wouldn't give the private health industry the ability to gouge sick people for all they're worth, so the politicians are being bribed against it.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      healthcare doesn't have to be complicated. The US just chooses to make it that way. The government could just choose to fund it for everyone like other countries do. But that wouldn't give the private health industry the ability to gouge sick people for all they're worth, so the politicians are being bribed against it.
                      It's more complicated than that, though. We have several industries (insurance, legal representation, managed health care, pharmaceuticals/research, etc) that have grown up around the competitive model of healthcare here in the US. Even if the government could find a way to afford to provide healthcare for all citizens (and yes, I know that doesn't mean they'd pay every penny), having them step in to provide it would have a pretty significant impact on the economy and the associated industries.

                      I personally think we need to reform several things before it's possible for the US to start treating healthcare like many other modern countries do.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        We know him too well. At the last minute in October, the Repubs are going to throw him under the bus, and a replacement candidate from the traditional Repubs party will come forward
                        I believe steadfastly that the traditional Republican party is dead.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                          It's more complicated than that, though. We have several industries (insurance, legal representation, managed health care, pharmaceuticals/research, etc) that have grown up around the competitive model of healthcare here in the US. Even if the government could find a way to afford to provide healthcare for all citizens (and yes, I know that doesn't mean they'd pay every penny), having them step in to provide it would have a pretty significant impact on the economy and the associated industries.

                          I personally think we need to reform several things before it's possible for the US to start treating healthcare like many other modern countries do.
                          Giving trillions in tax breaks to the wealthy has a significant impact on the economy, the enormous cost of healthcare for individuals has a significant impact on the economy.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Giving trillions in tax breaks to the wealthy has a significant impact on the economy, the enormous cost of healthcare for individuals has a significant impact on the economy.
                            Sorry, but that is not an answer Jim. How many hundreds of thousands are you willing to put out of work just so you can have crappy government run healthcare?
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

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                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                              I believe steadfastly that the traditional Republican party is dead.
                              Actually both traditional parties are dead. The Democrates use to be Moderate to Liberal and the Republicans use to be Moderate to Conservative. Now the Democrates are Liberal to Ultra-Liberal and the Republicans are Conservative to Ultra-Conservative. Purity tests have driven both parties away from Moderate positions to partisan positions.
                              "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                              "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                                Sorry, but that is not an answer Jim. How many hundreds of thousands are you willing to put out of work just so you can have crappy government run healthcare?
                                All of them, it's simply a corrupt system which needs be done away with. Of course it will have to be done in a way tha causes as little harm to workers as possible, but it has to go.

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