Bust the Police Unions to Rank and Yank Bad Cops

[Cow Poke]

The issue of police unions keeps getting lost in all the other nonsense about police brutality, so, this thread is specifically about....

Bust the Police Unions to Rank and Yank Bad Cops



I'm curious how many of our liberals will be honest enough to admit that police unions are not the friends of the communities in crisis.

[Starlight]

What's your view of non-police unions in general CP?

Has your time working with police given you any insights into police unions?

[Cow Poke]

More....

As protests grow, big labor sides with police unions

[Cow Poke]

What's your view of non-police unions in general CP?

None of the agencies with which I have been involved were unionized. The problem agencies I've encountered have, in fact, been union.
I think police unions - like teachers' unions - pit the interest and welfare of the dues-paying members against the general welfare and safety of the public.

Has your time working with police given you any insights into police unions?

Anecdotally, it was three of our "bad guys" who were trying to unionize our department, because they kept getting in trouble for excessive force, and were subject to dismissal.
Fortunately, our officers voted NOT to unionize (it would have been the Teamsters Union - basically the mafia), and those three officers left, two of them voluntarily, and one was fired.

[Cow Poke]

One more....

Why do police unions talk and act like the Mafia? How can we stop them?




So, why aren't we hearing more about the problems with Police UNIONS? Because UNIONS (organized labor) is a huge chunk of the Democrat identity.

[DivineOb]

My Twitter feed is just my Twitter feed so I don't know how representative of "Democratic thought" it is but I have seen plenty of sentiment that police unions are a problem and need to be reformed.

I don't think we need to unnecessarily politicize this by bringing up politics when this should be an issue that demands bipartisan action.

[Cow Poke]

My Twitter feed is just my Twitter feed so I don't know how representative of "Democratic thought" it is but I have seen plenty of sentiment that police unions are a problem and need to be reformed.

To me, that would be the FIRST STEP in reform - get rid of the union thugs who protect the police thugs. But, please, show me some democrats who are calling for police unions to be disbanded.

I don't think we need to unnecessarily politicize this by bringing up politics when this should be an issue that demands bipartisan action.

Organized labor is ALREADY a political issue - Democrats are absolutely dependent on unions for their power, and are constantly appealing to organize labor for support. Democrats cannot win elections without organized labor's support.

[Cow Poke]

I don't think we need to unnecessarily politicize this by bringing up politics when this should be an issue that demands bipartisan action.

On that specific point....

The Alliance of U.S. Labor Unions and the Democratic Party

Ever since industrial unions worked to reelect President Franklin Roosevelt in 1936, organized labor and the Democratic Party have worked together in U.S. politics. Unions provide votes, money, and volunteer time, and Democrats offer policy benefits when they take office.

It is ALREADY politicized, and anything BUT bipartisan.

[DivineOb]

To me, that would be the FIRST STEP in reform - get rid of the union thugs who protect the police thugs. But, please, show me some democrats who are calling for police unions to be disbanded.

I doubt anyone is calling for them to be disbanded.

It terms of reform you obviously have done a lot more researching on this topic than I have. I see this article from 5 days ago



I also see this



I don't know much about this topic so I feel like I'm just pasting stuff at you. But the point is there is at least some movement in this direction.

Organized labor is ALREADY a political issue - Democrats are absolutely dependent on unions for their power, and are constantly appealing to organize labor for support. Democrats cannot win elections without organized labor's support.

If that's how you want to define things then ok. I think that would make a lot of topics "political." But ok.

Are any Republicans proposing meaningful police union reform which goes further than what Democrats are proposing?

[Starlight]

But, please, show me some democrats who are calling for police unions to be disbanded.

My favorite progressive youtube channel (whose members would vote democrat or to the left of democrat) had a segment yesterday on "Police [Unions] Aren't Real Unions And Their Strikes Don't Matter". So there are certainly people on the left who aren't fans of police unions.

I'm not aware of specific views of any politicians of any party on the subject of police unions though.

[Cow Poke]

My favorite progressive youtube channel (whose members would vote democrat or to the left of democrat) had a segment yesterday on "Police [Unions] Aren't Real Unions And Their Strikes Don't Matter". So there are certainly people on the left who aren't fans of police unions.

That's one ray of sunshine, but they won't call for the elimination of police unions because Democrats ARE "union".

I'm not aware of specific views of any politicians of any party on the subject of police unions though.

For a Democrat to be anti-union in any sense is to sign their own political death warrant.

[Cow Poke]

The reset of your post acknowledged....

If that's how you want to define things then ok. I think that would make a lot of topics "political." But ok.

How are unions NOT "political"? Maybe you're looking at this a different way.

Are any Republicans proposing meaningful police union reform which goes further than what Democrats are proposing?

Republicans have, especially of late, been very much anti-union across the board.

Democrats Support, Republicans Oppose Labor Unions in their Party Platforms

[JimL]

The issue of police unions keeps getting lost in all the other nonsense about police brutality, so, this thread is specifically about....

Bust the Police Unions to Rank and Yank Bad Cops



I'm curious how many of our liberals will be honest enough to admit that police unions are not the friends of the communities in crisis.

Yes, we know that. Do you know how to get rid of those corrupt police unions, you disband the police, like they did in Camden NJ, and start over.

[JimL]

The reset of your post acknowledged....



How are unions NOT "political"? Maybe you're looking at this a different way.



Republicans have, especially of late, been very much anti-union across the board.

Democrats Support, Republicans Oppose Labor Unions in their Party Platforms

Right, the party of the wealthy doesn't want the power to collectively bargain in the hands of lowly workers.

[Cow Poke]

Right, the party of the wealthy doesn't want the power to collectively bargain in the hands of lowly workers.

So, you approve of police unions which back bad cops, putting entire communities at risk? You can't have it both ways, Jim.