"Abortion is murder"

[Sparko]

"baby" isn't a scientific term people. "fetus," "embryo," "zygote" are. That's the difference. There is no scientific state of life called "baby" - so claiming it is "inaccurate" is just silly. Baby just refers to someone's offspring, usually at a very young age, but as has been pointed out, mothers refer to their 30 year old children as "my baby"

[DivineOb]

So, when the embryo implants into the wall of the uterus, before it becomes a blastocyst, is the woman pregnant?

There's also

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...r/hlv-20049471

The first few months of pregnancy — the first trimester — are marked by rapid changes for both you and your baby.
For you, first trimester physical changes might include breast tenderness, fatigue and nausea. Your emotions might range from excitement to anxiety. For your baby, the first trimester is a time of rapid growth and development. Your baby's brain, spinal cord and other organs begin to form, and your baby's heart begins to beat. Your baby's fingers and toes even begin to take shape.


Notice the "first trimester", which includes from fertilization through 13 weeks. And it is called a BABY. I'm getting really tired of dropping all of these mics...

Thanks for doing the actual work, ODB. You failed but at least you tried.

1) Your first example doesn't make your point since obviously it's speaking about the entirely of the person's pregnancy.
2) The second doesn't as the baby is classified a fetus before the end other the first trimester.

You and CP are trying to change history into the claiming that a claim is being made that the baby is is *never* called a baby while unborn but obviously that's false.

[Cow Poke]

You and CP are trying to change history into the claiming that the baby is is *never* called a baby while unborn but obviously that's false.

You might wanna try that sentence again, DO, cause it makes no sense.

[DivineOb]

This one was really good too

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...e/art-20045302

*Finally* your fourth bite at the apple gets us there.

I will agree that this link which speaks in informal language to a nonscientific audience describes an it as a baby at an early point in the pregnancy. Congrats. That still doesn't have anything to do with Whateverman's point.

[Bill the Cat]

*Finally* your fourth bite at the apple gets us there.

I will agree that this link which speaks in informal language to a nonscientific audience describes an it as a baby at an early point in the pregnancy. Congrats. That still doesn't have anything to do with Whateverman's point.

Well, the original point was that the term "baby" isn't a scientific term for a stage of human growth and development, so thanks for playing.

[Christianbookworm]

Baby is only a term for offspring. It's not a scientific term for a stage of development! It's also used to mean an immature human(as an insult). Sure, infant is what may pop into your head first, but toddlers are still babies even if they are no longer infants. And premature babies are called babies even if they are still the same age as a fetus, they just have to struggle for survival while their peer is still living on easy street.

[DivineOb]

Well, the original point was that the term "baby" isn't a scientific term for a stage of human growth and development, so thanks for playing.

Oh. Then I'll take back my kudos. Where do you think your links back *that* up?

[Whateverman]

"baby" isn't a scientific term people. "fetus," "embryo," "zygote" are. That's the difference. There is no scientific state of life called "baby" - so claiming it is "inaccurate" is just silly.

Calling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.

Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.

Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.

If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.

[Cow Poke]

Calling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.

Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.

Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.

If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.

You're being a baby!

[lilpixieofterror]

Calling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.

Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.

Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.

If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.

So when your wife/daughter/cousin/whoever says they are going to have a baby, do you correct them?

[Cow Poke]

So when your wife/daughter/cousin/whoever says they are going to have a baby, do you correct them?

Or when his wife/daughter/cousin/whoever has a miscarriage and, in deep sorrow, says "I lost my baby", does he correct them?

[lilpixieofterror]

Or when his wife/daughter/cousin/whoever has a miscarriage and, in deep sorrow, says "I lost my baby", does he correct them?

I saw a way to weasel his way out, but I haven’t seen a logical reason to refer to unborn by their technical term in one case, but baby in another case. Beyond the emotional goal of dehumanization that is.

[Sparko]

Calling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.

Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.

Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.

If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.

Doctors refer to them as babies too when talking to the pregnant mothers and doing exams. "Your baby is doing fine, listen you can hear her heart beat"

[Christianbookworm]

I saw a way to weasel his way out, but I haven’t seen a logical reason to refer to unborn by their technical term in one case, but baby in another case. Beyond the emotional goal of dehumanization that is.

Which is weird. Becuase infant can apply to any very young primate, but it's not dehumanizing to call a baby less than a year out of the womb an infant. Embryo could refer to any multicellular organism at the beginning of development, including humans, but context usually makes clear what organism is being referred to. Fetus refers to the developing young of placental mammals, so specifying which mammal is important. I don't like the idea of killing any fetal or infant mammal(including the ones I am fine eating when they sre full grown).

[Sparko]

These guys seem to think if they can show it can't be called a "baby" then it isn't a human being and can be safely killed.

It's just a way to assuage guilt.