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Did the Jews really kill Jesus?

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  • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
    They provided information from academically recognized experts to show there is competent belief that Tacitus's statement is authentic as is.
    There is scholarly opinion that it is authentic and there is scholarly opinion that it may be an interpolation.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • Which therefore makes your opinion about interpolation, inconclusive.


      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
      There is scholarly opinion that it is authentic and there is scholarly opinion that it may be an interpolation.

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      • Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
        Which therefore makes your opinion about interpolation, inconclusive.
        As inconclusive as the contention that it is authentic.
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • "How can scholarly opinion deal with bias?"

          Your anti-Christian views clearly betray your bias and preconceived notions - about "Pauline conspiracies", interpolations and similar "falsehoods" in the early Christian traditions.

          When scholars who are Christian clergy have debunked those opinions above, you just whine and dismiss them as "clergymen", which is a cop-out.

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          • Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
            "How can scholarly opinion deal with bias?"

            Your anti-Christian views clearly betray your bias and preconceived notions - about "Pauline conspiracies", interpolations and similar "falsehoods" in the early Christian traditions.

            When scholars who are Christian clergy have debunked those opinions above, you just whine and dismiss them as "clergymen", which is a cop-out.
            You must learn to read what I have written and not what you think I have written.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • Lol! You are read pretty well, there’s no need to learn any reading from you.


              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              You must learn to read what I have written and not what you think I have written.

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              • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4CY73psVFQ
                At Youtube.com auto generated cc can be turned on.

                At the top on the far right, three vertical dots, select playback settings.
                Captions off to English auto captions.
                Thanks.
                Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                  Thanks.
                  It was so nice of 37818 to add that feature just for you.

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                  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    For the Jews of first century Judaea the Kingdom of God was a theocracy established in the land of Israel with a Messiah [anointed king].
                    I asked YOU what the Kingdom of God is?

                    I also asked you where you heard of it.

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                    • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                      I asked YOU what the Kingdom of God is?

                      I also asked you where you heard of it.
                      To a first century Jew the Kingdom of God would have been a theocratic state with an anointed king under god, and with no infidel Romans.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
                        Lol! You are read pretty well, there’s no need to learn any reading from you.
                        That is not what my reply was addressing. You made incorrect allegations about what I had written.
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                          To a first century Jew the Kingdom of God would have been a theocratic state with an anointed king under god, and with no infidel Romans.
                          But you shouldn't blame them for having only a partial understanding of the nature of the kingdom of God. The full understanding was not possible until Jesus revealed the full details.

                          You have identified problems with interpretation of scripture so you understand that one perspective may seem as valid as another.

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            To a first century Jew the Kingdom of God would have been a theocratic state with an anointed king under god, and with no infidel Romans.
                            I asked you where you got that information. Waiting.

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                            • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              But you shouldn't blame them for having only a partial understanding of the nature of the kingdom of God.
                              The Jewish people understood their own theology quite well.


                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              The full understanding was not possible until Jesus revealed the full details.
                              Later Pauline theology.

                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              You have identified problems with interpretation of scripture so you understand that one perspective may seem as valid as another.
                              We know what the Kingdom of God would have meant to first century Jews living under foreign domination and we know why anyone claiming, or being acclaimed as, the Messiah was regarded by the Roman authorities as potential trouble.

                              You seem to either not know or forget that there had been other Messianic movements originating in the countryside in that region and nor were some of these movements in the early years of the first century easily subdued. At least one, led by Athronges, a shepherd, took quite some time for either the Roman or Herodian troops to eventually suppress it.

                              Neither was that the only messianic movement occurring in the years surrounding the approximate dates for Jesus’ birth. In the late first century BCE and early first century CE there were several mass movements of Jewish peasants who came from villages or towns such as Emmaus, Bethlehem, and Sepphoris. These people rallied to the leadership of charismatic figures who were viewed as “anointed kings of the Jews”. These popular uprisings occurred in all three provincial areas of Jewish settlement in Palestine (i.e. Galilee, Perea, and Judaea).

                              Sepphoris, a few miles north of Nazareth, had been burned in 4 BCE and its inhabitants sold into slavery; while Emmaus, which is one of the locations for the resurrection appearances according to Luke, had likewise been destroyed by the Romans for another mass uprising, barely a generation later. [See: R.A. Horsley & J.S. Hanson Bandits, Prophets, and Messiahs: Popular Movements in the Time of Jesus ]
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                                I asked you where you got that information. Waiting.
                                From my reading.
                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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