Police guns down man after he tried to flee.

[Sparko]

I can't find anything but that one blurry picture that the DA showed of the supposed kick.



It just isn't clear enough to make out what his happening. I don't even see Brooks in the still. Just Rolf's shadow. And he could be doing anything, from being in mid step while running, to getting ready to bend over and help Brooks, to actually kicking him. Without the full video, we just can't tell. And I can't find that video anywhere, just that blurry still shown by the DA. That alone makes me suspicious of it.

[Mountain Man]

The "woke" thing to do is wait until you've been shot at to respond.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I wouldn't be surprised to see some liberal idiot propose a law that would make it illegal for police to fire their weapons unless they are fired upon first.

[Cow Poke]

Has anybody posted the video leading up to the incident?

BOTH officers treat him like a human, being very patient, the first officer even trying to make excuses for the guy "you had a long day? You sleepy?......."

The subject can't figure out what County he is in, denies that he operated the motor vehicle at all, he keeps getting out of the vehicle even though the officer very politely directs him to stay in the car...

At about 20 minutes, the officer doing the field sobriety test does a classic "are you injured, can you walk comfortably in your shoes, etc...."

They are in contact with him for nearly half an hour, BOTH treating him properly, no hint whatsoever of racist conduct on their part...
The subject keeps focusing on his new shoes - the officer gives him the option of removing his shoes --- the DUI officer is incredibly patient with the guy, explaining multiple times what he wants.
And, note - it's NOT just 'whether or not the subject can do the test", but how he process multiple instructions and follows them.
The subject admits to be very impaired, but maybe doesn't understand that, because, at the same time, he says he's "good", and argues that he is fit to drive.
Again, at 31 minutes, he still can't figure out where he is. Goes from 1 drink, to 1 and a half drinks.

He repeatedly denies he was in the drive-thru operating a motor vehicle.
At 35 minutes, he finally admits he was in the drive-thru, on the phone with his girlfriend, seeing what she wanted from Wendy's.
At 38 minutes, he's still insisting he is fit to drive - at this point, the officers would be negligent if they allowed him to drive.

At this point, I would arrest him for DUI, ask Wendy's manager if it's OK to leave his car there, and take him to jail for his own safety, and the safety of the general public.
BOTH officers are still being professional, treating him as "any other person" - no racism apparent.
Finally, after 40 minutes, the rest of the story unfolds.

[Mountain Man]

I can't find anything but that one blurry picture that the DA showed of the supposed kick.



It just isn't clear enough to make out what his happening. I don't even see Brooks in the still. Just Rolf's shadow. And he could be doing anything, from being in mid step while running, to getting ready to bend over and help Brooks, to actually kicking him. Without the full video, we just can't tell. And I can't find that video anywhere, just that blurry still shown by the DA. That alone makes me suspicious of it.

Looking at the Wendy's security camera footage, it appears that the officer was stepping over Brooks and not kicking him. As for the position of his arms, it seems he was using the radio which was pinned to his shoulder because he keeps his arm in that position for several seconds after the moment depicted in the still which shows the supposed kick.

[Mountain Man]

Has anybody posted the video leading up to the incident?

myth did earlier in the thread, the full 45-minutes. I take it from the responses by the peanut gallery that they haven't bothered to even scan through it.

[Cow Poke]

myth did earlier in the thread, the full 45-minutes. I take it from the responses by the peanut gallery that they haven't bothered to even scan through it.

I watched it very carefully --- at EVERY POINT up until the subject grabbed the weapon and tried to flee, the officers acted professionally and respectfully.
Not even a HINT of racism. EVERY INDICATION was that the subject was intoxicated/incapacitated.

And it certainly wasn't a case of "sleeping while black" --- they didn't seek him out - they were responding to a legitimate complaint.

[Littlejoe]

The "woke" thing to do is wait until you've been shot at to respond.

Yeah I wish...now if you shoot 2 cops while they are serving an arrest warrant for 1st degree murder, it's still murder by the cops if you are killed:

Murder suspect opens fire on police. Officers shoot back and kill him. Now people are calling for the arrest of the cops.

Talk about stupid!

[oxmixmudd]

Yeah I wish...now if you shoot 2 cops while they are serving an arrest warrant for 1st degree murder, it's still murder by the cops if you are killed:

Murder suspect opens fire on police. Officers shoot back and kill him. Now people are calling for the arrest of the cops.

Talk about stupid!

Yep, I agree as you have presented it that it's stupid.

The Brooks case is close to that line. He was drunk and resisted arrest. The debate is was shooting him in the back running away justified. Most would say no.

Opening fire on your arresting officers is another matter. You do that. You'll likely get shot and the officers have every right to defend themselves.

So, pretty much on the right the crazies defend the officers no matter what. Some of them live here.

On the left the crazies impune the officers no matter what.

Too bad the sane ones that can tell the difference get drowned out by the crazies.

[Sparko]

Looking at the Wendy's security camera footage, it appears that the officer was stepping over Brooks and not kicking him. As for the position of his arms, it seems he was using the radio which was pinned to his shoulder because he keeps his arm in that position for several seconds after the moment depicted in the still which shows the supposed kick.

can you post that video or a link and time?

[Mountain Man]

The Brooks case is close to that line.

Not even. He violently resisted arrest. He gave one officer a concussion during the brawl. He was fleeing the scene. He turned and aimed a gun shaped weapon at the officers. The response by the officer was a reasonable use of force.

On the left the crazies impune the officers no matter what.

Too bad the sane ones that can tell the difference get drowned out by the crazies.

Hate to break it to you, ox, but you're one of the crazies drowning out reasoned discussion.

[JimL]

Has anybody posted the video leading up to the incident?

BOTH officers treat him like a human, being very patient, the first officer even trying to make excuses for the guy "you had a long day? You sleepy?......."

The subject can't figure out what County he is in, denies that he operated the motor vehicle at all, he keeps getting out of the vehicle even though the officer very politely directs him to stay in the car...

At about 20 minutes, the officer doing the field sobriety test does a classic "are you injured, can you walk comfortably in your shoes, etc...."

They are in contact with him for nearly half an hour, BOTH treating him properly, no hint whatsoever of racist conduct on their part...
The subject keeps focusing on his new shoes - the officer gives him the option of removing his shoes --- the DUI officer is incredibly patient with the guy, explaining multiple times what he wants.
And, note - it's NOT just 'whether or not the subject can do the test", but how he process multiple instructions and follows them.
The subject admits to be very impaired, but maybe doesn't understand that, because, at the same time, he says he's "good", and argues that he is fit to drive.
Again, at 31 minutes, he still can't figure out where he is. Goes from 1 drink, to 1 and a half drinks.

He repeatedly denies he was in the drive-thru operating a motor vehicle.
At 35 minutes, he finally admits he was in the drive-thru, on the phone with his girlfriend, seeing what she wanted from Wendy's.
At 38 minutes, he's still insisting he is fit to drive - at this point, the officers would be negligent if they allowed him to drive.

At this point, I would arrest him for DUI, ask Wendy's manager if it's OK to leave his car there, and take him to jail for his own safety, and the safety of the general public.
BOTH officers are still being professional, treating him as "any other person" - no racism apparent.
Finally, after 40 minutes, the rest of the story unfolds.

And it's the rest of the story that counts and you admitted you would not have shot him. But then you go on defending the officer who did, so, as with most of your posts, it's difficult to know what you actually think or would actually have done in that situation.

[Cow Poke]

And it's the rest of the story that counts and you admitted you would not have shot him.

That's a distortion of what I said, Jim. But no surprise there at all.

But then you go on defending the officer who did,

Do I defend him AFTER that 40 minutes, Jim? Actual quote, please, as you can't be trusted to provide accurate information.

so, as with most of your posts, it's difficult to know what you actually think or would have done in that situation.

Well, that's because....

Because:
A) I wasn't there
2) I don't know what all happened "off camera"
C) I haven't really studied the situation all that much
D) I like to have all the facts before coming to a conclusion.

Even if the facts don't support any predetermined narrative.

That's why.

I watched the video very carefully (something I bet you did NOT do) for any sign that there was anything RACIST leading up to the incident?

Do you see ANY EVIDENCE, prior to the subject initiating a battle, that the police were not professional and courteous?

ANY?

[JimL]

That's a distortion of what I said, Jim. But no surprise there at all.



Do I defend him AFTER that 40 minutes, Jim? Actual quote, please, as you can't be trusted to provide accurate information.



Well, that's because....



I watched the video very carefully (something I bet you did NOT do) for any sign that there was anything RACIST leading up to the incident?

Do you see ANY EVIDENCE, prior to the subject initiating a battle, that the police were not professional and courteous?

ANY?

I'm not arguing that it was racist, I'm arguing that it was an unjustified shooting, aka murder.

[Cow Poke]

I'm not arguing that it was racist, I'm arguing that it was an unjustified shooting, aka murder.

Ah, so you're departing from the narrative? Good on you!

Meanwhile, I'm very carefully stepping through the FACTS of the case, not the narrative.

[RumTumTugger]

IF and when actual evidence surfaces the alleged kick is not real, I will discuss that. At this point that is what one of the charges directly addresses. And there is no reason at the current time other than conservative and typically racist spin directed at the integrity of a black DA to doubt it.

I will not comment on an allegation driven by that kind of sourcing until and unless there are resl and verifyable facts to support it.

You are asking me to believe the DA is flagrantly lying. I will not give place to that without hard evidence.

Look at the video I posted here Oxmix that show the survelance video from Wendy's .