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The issue that led to the Right becoming Pro-Life

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    foreigndesirablebetterWhite male patriotism demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant womenWhy Not? A Book for Every Woman abortions are infinitely more frequent among Protestant women than among Catholicthe great territories of the far West, just opening to civilisation, and the fertile savannas of the South now disenthralledfilled with our own children of those of aliensThe Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism, Katherine Stewart devotes a chapter to Abortion and the Christian Right. The chapter is very illuminating.

    According to Stewart the notion that is held among many Christians today that, in general, Protestants have always opposed abortion and that the Republican Party has likewise been the "party of lifeChristian Medical Society and Christianity Todayindividual health, family welfare, and social responsibilityBaptist PressReligious liberty, human equality, and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decisionI have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowedemotional, mental, and physical health of the mothermoral majorityIt would be hard to overestimate the degree of outrage that the threat of losing their tax-advantaged status on account of their segregationism provoked. As far as leaders like Bob Jones Sr. were concerned, they had a God-given right not just to separate the races but also to receive federal money for the purposewhites only
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    Very interesting.

    In very many cases the "Christian Right" is neither Christian nor right.

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    • #3
      The history proposed in the original post is interesting. It does suggest that different motives both for and against legalized abortion under different circumstances. It is surprising that people ever thought of abortions so lightly or so cleverly. There also is the reminder how the masses are led into political movements in so many cases -- probably in most cases. (I had briefly thought about the political persuasion of the masses recently. Some of my thoughts pertained to propaganda for the wars. Some thoughts pertained to the current covid-19 media.) It is too bad that eugenics again is being carried forth by the current promotion of abortions.

      I'm not exactly sure how to handle the situation of women getting abortions, but abortions certainly should be minimized. The Democrats have been trying to maximiz

      Hopefully Christians will continue on this advanced degree of understanding of the sins of abortion. Knowledge is growing.
      Last edited by mikewhitney; 06-15-2020, 03:07 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Charles View Post
        Very interesting.

        In very many cases the "Christian Right" is neither Christian nor right.
        The funny thing is that the early Christian church was decidedly anti-abortion. So, the pro-life position is both Christian, AND right.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          The funny thing is that the early Christian church was decidedly anti-abortion. So, the pro-life position is both Christian, AND right.
          Wasn't this whole thing Tassman's screed?
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Wasn't this whole thing Tassman's screed?
            I just find it interesting how the left reports on the moral majority era, like those politicians somehow represent today's conservative mindset. But they are the first ones to throw a hissy over the KKK being founded by the Democrats of the time. Like evolving thought is somehow not permitted on the right.
            That's what
            - She

            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              I just find it interesting how the left reports on the moral majority era, like those politicians somehow represent today's conservative mindset. But they are the first ones to throw a hissy over the KKK being founded by the Democrats of the time. Like evolving thought is somehow not permitted on the right.
              Isn't "evolving thought" "progressive"?
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                The OP ignores the role Roman Catholism had in the modern pro-life movement. My understanding the pro-life movement got going by Roman Catholics and Protestant then discovered the common ground.
                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Isn't "evolving thought" "progressive"?
                  I prefer calling it a return to sanity.
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    The funny thing is that the early Christian church was decidedly anti-abortion. So, the pro-life position is both Christian, AND right.
                    I think it would be more accurate to note that the severe and unremitting condemnation of abortion and infanticide, which was widely practised within contemporary Hellenistic society, was a visible mark of the writings of various ante and post Nicene ECFs and of course it was Judaic teachings for the respect towards all human life that influenced such views.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      I just find it interesting how the left reports on the moral majority era, like those politicians somehow represent today's conservative mindset. But they are the first ones to throw a hissy over the KKK being founded by the Democrats of the time. Like evolving thought is somehow not permitted on the right.
                      Do you hold to the opinion that the ideas that were being promulgated from the late 1970s among the Christian right and the so-called "Moral Majority" have had absolutely no influence whatsoever on American Christians today?
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        I just find it interesting how the left reports on the moral majority era, like those politicians somehow represent today's conservative mindset. But they are the first ones to throw a hissy over the KKK being founded by the Democrats of the time. Like evolving thought is somehow not permitted on the right.
                        Liberals claim that the parties switched labels at some point, so, as the rationalization goes, all the past sins of the Democrat party are really the sins of today's Republicans.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Wasn't this whole thing Tassman's screed?
                          What happened is what happened CP. It's not a matter of who presents the history. It's a matter of whether the history is correct.
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Do you hold to the opinion that the ideas that were being promulgated from the late 1970s among the Christian right and the so-called "Moral Majority" have had absolutely no influence whatsoever on American Christians today?
                            Not at all. I am saying much of their rationale has been rejected, but the overall ideas have merit and have been supported differently than back then.
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              I think it would be more accurate to note that the severe and unremitting condemnation of abortion and infanticide, which was widely practised within contemporary Hellenistic society, was a visible mark of the writings of various ante and post Nicene ECFs and of course it was Judaic teachings for the respect towards all human life that influenced such views.
                              Hence... Christian.
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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