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The issue that led to the Right becoming Pro-Life
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo pro life women, don’t exist?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostA fetus is not a newborn infant. The survival of a fetus and the survival of a newborn are 2 different categorys with 2 different definitions as to what is meant by survival. Cut off your toe and leave it outside for 24 hours and it won't survive either."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI believe by "we" she was refering to pro choice adherents, men or women, Lilpix. She never suggested that you, being a woman, couldn't still be an anti-abortion zealot who wants to foist your opinion on other women. You're still struggling with that reading comprehension problem, I see.
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYou are perfectly entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to foist your opinion on to women, and by so doing prevent them from making their own choices about their own bodies.
That is the difference between pro choice and the more rabid pro life activists. We are prepared for a woman to make a choice. The anti-abortion zealots want to remove all choice."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostReading is hard:
The left loves fostering their opinions upon others, they simply don’t like it when their opponents do the same and besides, she had spent lots of her time attacking men and acting as though men can’t have an opinion on abortion. The left is so funny, only their opinions count, no one else’s.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostA fetus is a stage of human development that is just as dependent on their mother for survival as an infant is. The fact you try to compare a child to a severed toe says how twisted you are. I lost a baby at 23 weeks. Can you please explain why my dead daughter was any less my child than my three living ones are?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostShe was talking to a man, figure it out!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, if you want to put it that way, a fetus is a stage of human development. So is a zygote, an embryo, but they aren't human beings"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd the true colors of the pro death movement come out. Ever see what a dead ‘fetus’ looks like Jimmy? Ever have to hold and bury your dead child? I will assure you that she looked every bit like her siblings, with 10 fingers, 10 toes, 2 eyes, etc. The left is truly sick in how they’ll deny the humanity of a mother and father’s dead child.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYou are perfectly entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to foist your opinion on to women, and by so doing prevent them from making their own choices about their own bodies.
If you don’t like what I say, or advocate for the opposite you don’t have to listen and you are free to advocate what you believe in.
That is the difference between pro choice and the more rabid pro life activists. We are prepared for a woman to make a choice. The anti-abortion zealots want to remove all choice.Last edited by Leonhard; 06-17-2020, 12:54 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo does every cell of the human body, that doesn't make the cells a human being.
In fact it is possible for the fetus to grow in other environments and interesting experiments are being carried out on that. If adequate supplies of nutrients are supplied to the placenta the baby can in grow in other environments.
Your toe, in comparison, only truly functions well in your body. Outside of it the toe rapidly loses cohesion and dies. Transplanted to another person will require that person to consume immune suppressants to avoid his own immune system killing it off.
Furthermore even from a standpoint of evolution it is clear how the fetus is an integrated being; early in evolutionary history our distant ancestors lay eggs or babies in the water. They’d return to water to lay eggs there. Later two other adaptions occurred, some had the baby in water inside a hard protective shell, others carried the baby to term to a higher maturity in water inside them.
In both cases it is a matter of supplying the right environment.
Yes, without the which it is just a fertilized egg. I know, I know, you probably consider the newly fertilized egg itself to be a human being. But DNA doesn't make a fetus a human being.
At all stages it is a human being and an individual member of our species. Most serious abortionists I know of don’t argue that the baby isn’t human. Some do, but the only serious argument is whether the mothers right to control her body outweighs the baby’s right to live.
the fetus ... is not a human being until it is.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYou are perfectly entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to foist your opinion on to women, and by so doing prevent them from making their own choices about their own bodies.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOne, an enemy - the other, a totally innocent being.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe enemy of the enemy.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThose decisions are made far above my pay grade.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow often?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd when it doesn't it's a disaster, and innocent human lives are taken.
With abortion, the innocent is the TARGET, not an unintended victim.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou're really flailing here. Perhaps you should withdraw this horrendous "analogy"."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI am entitled to both hold the opinion, to advocate for it, lecture on it, gather political support on it and lobby for change. We have freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and we have democratic elections.
However, you will not have stopped abortions taking place. They will continue, illegally, and there will be an increase in women dying along with their unborn children.
The wealthy will be able to bribe doctors or go to another country to get their procedure carried out."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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