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    Democrats (Accidentally) Make The Case Against Teachers’ Unions

    In the wake of George Floyd’s death and the subsequent protests/riots calling for “defunding the police,” Democrats have started targeting police unions, saying they are obstacles to accountability and reform. Do they realize that the same can be said of teachers’ unions?

    In a recent interview about reforming the police in his city, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said that “The elephant in the room with regard to police reform is the police union. … We do not have the ability to get rid of many of these officers that we know have done wrong in the past due to issues with both the contract and the arbitration associated with the union.” He said that it “sets up a system where we have difficulty both disciplining and terminating officers who have done wrong.”

    Minneapolis City Councilman Steve Fletcher said the police union “operates a little bit like a protection racket.”

    Frey and Fletcher won’t get an argument from us. Like other public-sector unions, police unions serve mainly to fatten salaries and benefits at taxpayer expense, make it harder to fire bad employees, and then dump campaign cash on the same people they are “negotiating” with.

    It was Franklin Roosevelt, of all people, who understood the inherent problem this arrangement poses, warning back in 1937 that “All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”

    A Duke Law Journal study looked at 178 police union contracts and found that “a substantial number … unreasonably interfere with or otherwise limit the effectiveness of mechanisms designed to hold police officers accountable for their actions.”

    The New York Times reports how police union membership has been climbing even as private-sector union membership has plunged, and that this gives unions “resources they can spend on campaigns and litigation to block reform. A single New York City police union has spent more than $1 million on state and local races since 2014.”

    “The greater the political pressure for reform, the more defiant the unions often are in resisting it — with few city officials, including liberal leaders, able to overcome their opposition,” the Times reports.

    No kidding......

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    Will Democrats finally stop supporting unions in general?

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    • #3
      In Sunday's local paper, they talked about the Democratic party primary. The major issue is the state of the local school system. They mentioned that the incombent got $100,000 from a PAC affliated with a national teachers union. This is the same incombent who seems to want to maintain the current status quo in my local school district aka "a radioactive hole-in-the-ground". He's got so much money, he can advertise on CNN - I saw one of his ads this morning. Yup, the teacher's union know how to protect themselves.
      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Will Democrats finally stop supporting unions in general?
        They can't. They cannot win elections without the labor unions' money and endorsements.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
          In Sunday's local paper, they talked about the Democratic party primary. The major issue is the state of the local school system. They mentioned that the incombent got $100,000 from a PAC affliated with a national teachers union. This is the same incombent who seems to want to maintain the current status quo in my local school district aka "a radioactive hole-in-the-ground". He's got so much money, he can advertise on CNN - I saw one of his ads this morning. Yup, the teacher's union know how to protect themselves.
          Yup - one of MANY cases where Democrats funnel huge amounts of money to Unions, who, in turn, fund the campaigns of liberals. A most incestuous relationship, but it's OK to liberals, because "it's OUR guys".
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Will Democrats finally stop supporting unions in general?
            I hope not. International research is more and more finding that unions play a crucial role in pushing for higher wages for workers. Without unions, the wages employees get paid drops, and inequality sky-rockets, which eventually leads to social breakdown.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              I hope not. International research is more and more finding that unions play a crucial role in pushing for higher wages for workers. Without unions, the wages employees get paid drops, and inequality sky-rockets, which eventually leads to social breakdown.
              Before there was collective bargaining there was no middle class to speak of, and republicns/conservatives have been convinced that the dignified life that their ancesters fought for and passed on to them is no longer needed because, I guess they believe that coorperate america has learned its lesson and would never treat it's employees like slaves again. Either that, or being that they already got theirs, they don't care to pass on the same advantages given them to the next generation. The simple excuse I always here is that 'unions were necessary and served a good purpose at one time, but I don't think they are necessary or serve the same purpose anymore,' which of course makes no sense.
              Last edited by JimL; 06-16-2020, 12:56 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                Before there was collective bargaining there was no middle class to speak of, and republicns/conservatives have been convinced that the dignified life that their ancesters fought for and passed on to them is no longer needed because, I guess they believe that coorperate america has learned its lesson and would never treat it's employees like slaves again.
                Perhaps they think the middle class is unnecessary, and that America was at its greatest when the slaves worked for the slave owners, and that Making America Great Again means returning to that blessed state?
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  I hope not. International research is more and more finding that unions play a crucial role in pushing for higher wages for workers. Without unions, the wages employees get paid drops, and inequality sky-rockets, which eventually leads to social breakdown.
                  So, as long as people get paid a little more, it's a small price to pay to prevent bad cops from being fired.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Before there was collective bargaining there was no middle class to speak of, and republicns/conservatives have been convinced that the dignified life that their ancesters fought for and passed on to them is no longer needed because, I guess they believe that coorperate america has learned its lesson and would never treat it's employees like slaves again. Either that, or being that they already got theirs, they don't care to pass on the same advantages given them to the next generation. The simple excuse I always here is that 'unions were necessary and served a good purpose at one time, but I don't think they are necessary or serve the same purpose anymore,' which of course makes no sense.
                    It is unions that prevent the firing of bad cops and bad teachers.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Will Democrats finally stop supporting unions in general?
                      They owe too much to government unions but when it comes to unions in the private sector, much like with the Jews, they have been distancing themselves in recent years. For instance they abandoned them in spite of their strong support for the Keystone pipeline in order to side with environmentalists.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        They owe too much to government unions but when it comes to unions in the private sector, much like with the Jews, they have been distancing themselves in recent years. For instance they abandoned them in spite of their strong support for the Keystone pipeline in order to side with environmentalists.
                        Or when they're doing their DNC convention or something, and they find it's cheaper to give bids to non-union vendors or companies, they they have to relent (or not) because the unions will picket.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Or when they're doing their DNC convention or something, and they find it's cheaper to give bids to non-union vendors or companies, they they have to relent (or not) because the unions will picket.
                          Or like when Nancy Pelosi, who is a longtime backer of the United Farm Workers, won't hire union labor to pick grapes in the vineyard she and her husband own. The same with not allowing unions into the boutique hotel in Rutherford and the upscale Italian restaurant chain that they are part owners of.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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