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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI think we just have different working definition of outrage now.
You either think this is okay, and respond that you're okay with it, or you respond that it is not okay, not racist etc, and why are the left so <insert whatever it is you think the Left is doing wrong>. The latter I'd consider outrage.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOutrage is an emotion that often leads to chaos. I don't get outraged. I evaluate, formulate and execute. ... OK, so what is it about which I am supposed to be "outraged"?
"And, often, like the Me Too movement, they come back to bite the very agitators that started the whole thing."
"Ya know, 10 years ago, comedians were complaining that they can't even tell jokes anymore without being offensive..... [Talks about stuff comedians can't say] This is what the TALIBAN does - destroy culture, destroy artifacts, outlaw music, control the narrative.... "
All of those are outraged statements, condemnations, emotional ejaculations. Especially that last one where you compare criticism of comedians who made horrible stereotypes about homosexuals and women (and other things) being criticised for it, and comparing it to the Taliban.
If you don't see any of this as outrage, then I don't think I can ever get you to see any of your actions as outrage.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View Post"I never, in my wildest imagination, looked at any of those items and had a racist thought. Hate is in the eye of the beholder, I guess."
"And, often, like the Me Too movement, they come back to bite the very agitators that started the whole thing."
"Ya know, 10 years ago, comedians were complaining that they can't even tell jokes anymore without being offensive..... [Talks about stuff comedians can't say] This is what the TALIBAN does - destroy culture, destroy artifacts, outlaw music, control the narrative.... "
All of those are outraged statements,
I'll go with Webster -
outrage noun
Definition of outrage
(Entry 1 of 2)
1 : an act of violence or brutality arranged outrages and assassinations— Anthony West
2a : injury, insult do no outrages on silly women or poor passengers— William Shakespeare
b : an act that violates accepted standards of behavior or taste an outrage alike against decency and dignity— John Buchan
3 : the anger and resentment aroused by injury or insult Many people expressed outrage at the court's decision.
condemnations, emotional ejaculations. Especially that last one where you compare criticism of comedians who made horrible stereotypes about homosexuals and women (and other things) being criticised for it, and comparing it to the Taliban.
If you don't see any of this as outrage, then I don't think I can ever get you to see any of your actions as outrage.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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I think it is fair to say we've used the terms in very different ways then Cow Poke. At any rate, my point was that I don't see the use of this discussion. The removal of a logo like this in no way seems to be important at all. And I have absolutely zero stakes in it. I just don't think the removal of the logo can be considered racist.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI think it is fair to say we've used the terms in very different ways then Cow Poke.
At any rate, my point was that I don't see the use of this discussion. The removal of a logo like this in no way seems to be important at all. And I have absolutely zero stakes in it. I just don't think the removal of the logo can be considered racist.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIt would be racist if they in they used African American cultural symbols, images, etc, and used that to brand and benefit themselves without the money going back into those communities. It doesn't have to be a disparaging symbol in order for it to be bad. As long as the group in power gets to benefit from, or represent the minority (for the majority's group benefit), it is a case of racism.
Now in this case I think it is so minor and insignificant than I'm honestly surprised that people here are outraged over it.
But it is still a case of racism.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHow is that racist?
Would it be exploitive if a black owner chose an image of a white man as the logo for his company?
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIt would be racist if they in they used African American cultural symbols, images, etc, and used that to brand and benefit themselves without the money going back into those communities.
I mean it is definitely pandering[1] but they definitely "used African American cultural symbols, images, etc, and used that to brand and benefit themselves" so...
1. I recently read that the West African kente cloth that they chose is from one of the tribes that was heavily involved in the slave trade -- not as victims but as those who captured and sold them.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWould this then be racist?
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I mean it is definitely pandering[1] but they definitely "used African American cultural symbols, images, etc, and used that to brand and benefit themselves" so...
1. I recently read that the West African kente cloth that they chose is from one of the tribes that was heavily involved in the slave trade -- not as victims but as those who captured and sold them.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWould this then be racist?
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I mean it is definitely pandering[1] but they definitely "used African American cultural symbols, images, etc, and used that to brand and benefit themselves" so...
1. I recently read that the West African kente cloth that they chose is from one of the tribes that was heavily involved in the slave trade -- not as victims but as those who captured and sold them.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostNauseating staged photos. Pelosi and Schumer are such pandering twits.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt was a symbolic gesture of the solidarity within the democratic party born out of the racist treatment of blacks by law enforcement and the party's intent to reform systemic racism. That's not pandering, it's messaging. Perhaps you don't like the message, but that's on you."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWould this then be racist? ... 1. I recently read that the West African kente cloth that they chose is from one of the tribes that was heavily involved in the slave trade -- not as victims but as those who captured and sold them.
I also haven't judged anything racist in this thread. I still don't know if the board of directors or shareholders are diverse or mainly white, or what the history of those companies were to begin with. It literally doesn't matter to me that an oatmeal company decided to change their logo.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt was a symbolic gesture of the solidarity within the democratic party born out of the racist treatment of blacks by
law enforcement and the party's intent to reform systemic racism. That's not pandering, it's messaging. Perhaps you don't like the message, but that's on you.
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