Self-righteous vandals

[Cow Poke]

I am sure, if you searched hard enough, you could find someone from my county who would disagree with any and every possible statement I might make.

I can, however, tell you what the people I've happened to talk to in my country have said.

What are the chances that the people you associate with are just like you?

[Starlight]

What are the chances that the people you associate with are just like you?

There's certainly a strong bias toward me talking to people who are both well-educated and well-informed about the world. I'm not sure though that if I were to talk to some people who weren't well-informed to the point where they hadn't heard anything about the US situation, that they would be able to meaningfully contribute an opinion on a subject they knew nothing about? At that point they would be dependent on me having to explain the situation to them before I could elicit their opinion, which you'd presumably discount as biased by my explanation.

[Sparko]

There's apparently a strange state law that prevents them from being taken down or updated, even if the city decided to do that. This is risky. Precisely because of situations like this where they fall out of favor, but it suddenly requiring an entire state to vote on it.

I never heard of any such law, but if that is the case, then yes, it should be changed, via legislature, the same way that law got to be law. Then they can take down any statues they decide needs to come down, legally and peacefully.

This rioting and destruction needs to stop.

[Sparko]

Though judges also apparently believe it isn't even up to the states, so there's a lot of forces at play preventing any democratic discussion about them.

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Source: Latest legal hurdle to removing Confederate statues in Virginia: The wishes of their long-dead white donors

A controversial statue of Robert E. Lee will remain in place in Richmond, the former capital of the American Confederacy –- at least temporarily.

On June 18, a judge extended an injunction barring the removal of the Confederate general’s statue, stating that “the monument is the property of the people,” not the state of Virginia, which seeks its removal.

In early June Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam vowed to dismantle the prominent Lee statue in Richmond, the state capital, following sustained, nationwide protests over police brutality and racism. That plan was blocked by a 10-day court injunction – now extended through late July – based on the petition of a man whose ancestor, Otway Allen, gave Virginia the land the the sculpture sits on.

In his petition, William C. Gregory claimed that dismantling the Lee statue would violate the conditions of his great-grandfather’s 1890 land deed, which says Virginia “will faithfully guard it and affectionately protect it.”

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Sounds like this is a unique case to that particular statue, judging by the last line.

[Sparko]

I have no problem with people vandalising / destroying / removing offensive statues if (a) a reasonable person I might agree they are legitimately offensive, and (b) no human being is injured in the act (i.e. it's not 'violent' in the sense of human-on-human harm).

There, FIFY.

[Starlight]

There, FIFY.

Obviously I agree with anything I agree with.

[Leonhard]

I never heard of any such law, but if that is the case, then yes, it should be changed, via legislature, the same way that law got to be law. Then they can take down any statues they decide needs to come down, legally and peacefully.

This rioting and destruction needs to stop.

I don't support the rioting and destruction, and I agree that this law should be done away with. It prevents the cities from taking appropriate course of action, or even to consider whether they want to host these statues. However since the law is there, and since getting it changed is very difficult, there might not be much we can do to prevent this statue from being lost to rioters. It'd be a waste of resource to put armed guards there day and night. So at some point I fear there'll be a scandal that'll cause some rioters to take out their frustrations on it.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yeah I am sure White Supremacists are going around tearing down confederate statues.

Didn't their grandparents do the opposite? And hang black people up for public display?

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