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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post

    COVID-19 Hospitalizations Set Records 9 Days Straight as Texas Surpasses 107K Cases


    You can take a look at the ugly graph here. I also just saw a tweet regarding a Dallas hospital which is all full in the ICU and running short on PPE.
    Thanks DOb. I was glad to see the statistcs at that link. It was a bit hard to follow but still was interesting since the article mixed overall Texas numbers with discussion of Dallas County numbers. It was unexpected to see so many more ventilators than ICU beds. This might be just because many ICU beds had patients who did not require ventilators.

    Except for the hospital with no more ICU beds, there appears to be 244 ICU beds available in Dallas hospitals. I'm not sure what percent of the occupied beds are COVID-19. (It's too bad the details were not more specific.)

    The COVID-19 deaths in Dallas County were listed at 317 which appears to be quite low for a population of 2.5 million. It sounds like the numbers are generally manageable there without changing the requirements on the people. I'm not for people getting sick and dying but the statistic still stands that, among all the people, 9 out of every 9 people will die at some point in time. So far the deaths in Dallas County attributed to COVID-19 (listed as 317) are below the flu deaths per year. This is based on:

    yearly flu deaths: 0.03% * 2.5Million people= 750 people. This usually is in a six month season which gives 375 in 90 days. The COVID-19 has mostly been confined to 90 days in the US.

    Also, the number of available ICU beds (242) would allow for 6100 hospitalized cases in Dallas County where 4% needed ICU. (The 4% number is borrowed from a study in France.) However, the number of deaths in Dallas County suggest that the cases going to ICU will not be as many or as deadly.

    The basic recommendation is that older or sicker people who wish protection from the virus ... they should take the precautions they desire.

    Other people can go on living a pretty normal life but maybe taking precaution in some situations. This is far lower than an epidemic level, as pertaining to severe illness rather than just positive COVID-19 tests. The numbers just don't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    9 out of every 9 people will die.
    That's all of them. If you're past the allotted edit window when you see this, let me know what it should say and I'll edit it and delete my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Thanks DOb. I was glad to see the statistcs at that link. It was a bit hard to follow but still was interesting since the article mixed overall Texas numbers with discussion of Dallas County numbers. It was unexpected to see so many more ventilators than ICU beds. This might be just because many ICU beds had patients who did not require ventilators.

    Except for the hospital with no more ICU beds, there appears to be 244 ICU beds available in Dallas hospitals. I'm not sure what percent of the occupied beds are COVID-19. (It's too bad the details were not more specific.)

    The COVID-19 deaths in Dallas County were listed at 317 which appears to be quite low for a population of 2.5 million. It sounds like the numbers are generally manageable there without changing the requirements on the people. I'm not for people getting sick and dying but the statistic still stands that 9 out of every 9 people will die. So far the deaths in Dallas County attributed to COVID-19 (listed as 317) are below the flu deaths per year. This is based on:

    yearly flu deaths: 0.03% * 2.5Million people= 750 people. This usually is in a six month season which gives 375 in 90 days. The COVID-19 has mostly been confined to 90 days in the US.

    Also, the number of available ICU beds (242) would allow for 6100 hospitalized cases in Dallas County where 4% needed ICU. (The 4% number is borrowed from a study in France.) However, the number of deaths in Dallas County suggest that the cases going to ICU will not be as many or as deadly.

    The basic recommendation is that older or sicker people who wish protection from the virus ... they should take the precautions they desire.

    Other people can go on living a pretty normal life but maybe taking precaution in some situations. This is far an epidemic level. The numbers just don't work.
    Plus the fact that there are 253 other Counties in Texas besides Dallas County.
    There are over 30 incorporated cities in Dallas County, many of them comprised of very densely populated areas, and is the State's second most populous County.
    Dallas County also has mass transit, which seems to be a factor in the spread of COVID.

    ETA: Something looks fishy about the hospital beds and ICU figures --- I'm wondering if they're confusing the City of Dallas with the County of Dallas.
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    I might have misrememebred and it was Houston, not Dallas.


    Texas Children's Hospital admitting adult patients to free up hospital beds in Houston
    Texas Children’s Hospital said it is providing additional capacity through ICU and acute care beds across its campuses to both pediatric and adult patients.


    And apologies to CP and anyone else who has the slightest clue about Texas geography. I've spent a total of around 4-5 weeks of my life essentially in downtown Austin (for business) so that's basically all I know. I asked about riding a mechanical bull and the gentleman I asked didn't seem amused and said I'd probably have to go somewhere else to find one :D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Plus the fact that there are 253 other Counties in Texas besides Dallas County.

    ETA: Something looks fishy about the hospital beds and ICU figures --- I'm wondering if they're confusing the City of Dallas with the County of Dallas.
    Thanks for the info on the number of counties. The figures were changing between those for the state, the county and the city. I tried to stay consistent but the numbers would probably be less severe if I had standardized to the county level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    I might have misrememebred and it was Houston, not Dallas.


    Texas Children's Hospital admitting adult patients to free up hospital beds in Houston
    Texas Children’s Hospital said it is providing additional capacity through ICU and acute care beds across its campuses to both pediatric and adult patients.


    And apologies to CP and anyone else who has the slightest clue about Texas geography. I've spent a total of around 4-5 weeks of my life essentially in downtown Austin (for business) so that's basically all I know. I asked about riding a mechanical bull and the gentleman I asked didn't seem amused and said I'd probably have to go somewhere else to find one :D.
    Thanks for the clarification and the mention of the mechanical bull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    I might have misrememebred and it was Houston, not Dallas.



    Texas Children's Hospital admitting adult patients to free up hospital beds in Houston
    Texas Children’s Hospital said it is providing additional capacity through ICU and acute care beds across its campuses to both pediatric and adult patients.
    OK -- Houston / Harris County -- is a WHOLE 'NUTHER nut, as it holds the distinction of being the MOST DIVERSE PLACE IN AMERICA, with virtually every nation on the planet represented to some degree.
    And YUGE concentrations of "people groups" who would be... um... 'resistant'... to compliance with... um... "protocols".

    And apologies to CP and anyone else who has the slightest clue about Texas geography.


    I've spent a total of around 4-5 weeks of my life essentially in downtown Austin (for business) so that's basically all I know. I asked about riding a mechanical bull and the gentleman I asked didn't seem amused and said I'd probably have to go somewhere else to find one :D.
    NO WONDER you know nothing about Texas! (gentle prodding there) Austin is "the blueberry in a sea of tomato soup". Austin is purposely WEIRD, and nobody in Texas would think Austin represents Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Thanks for the clarification and the mention of the mechanical bull.
    Yeah, that wouldn't be an Austin thing --- ask, instead, for a unique bong or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    ....I also just saw a tweet regarding a Dallas hospital which is all full in the ICU and running short on PPE.
    So, this is now a Houston hospital?

    And the link you provided is supposed to support your claim that they are "all full in the ICU and running short on PPE"?

    Texas Children's Hospital admitting adult patients to free up hospital beds in Houston

    First of all, Texas Children's Hospital is one of MANY hospitals in the Harris County area.

    And the article actually says....

    Texas Children’s Hospital said it is providing additional capacity through ICU and acute care beds across its campuses to both pediatric and adult patients.

    HOUSTON — Texas Children’s Hospital confirmed it is admitting adult patients to free up hospital beds across Houston as cases surge.

    In a statement sent to KHOU 11, Texas Children’s Hospital said it is providing additional capacity through ICU and acute care beds across its campuses to both pediatric and adult patients

    Adult patients who have COVID-19 will be cared for in an expanded Special Isolation Unit at Texas Children's Hospital West Campus. The hospital is also admitting adults who don't have COVID-19.

    “Texas Children's Hospital, our employees, medical staff and leadership team continue to carefully monitor the ongoing active transmission and increasing number of COVID-19 cases in the greater Houston area and across the State. We are committed to doing our part to assist the city as the number of COVID-19 cases continues to rise,” the statement read.


    I'm not seeing the part about the "all full in the ICU" OR the "running short on PPE".

    The news here is that a CHILDREN'S hospital is gearing up to accept more ADULTS ---- nothing about what you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    My "spin" is based on the fact that I have read opinion pieces by medical professionals on how masks should be used, and the fact that the overwhelming number of people I've seen in public are not following those guidelines, meaning that at best, the masks are not doing them a bit of good, and at worst are putting their health at greater risk.

    It's also a fact that you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than contracting the China flu simply by passing by someone in a grocery store.
    and your 'spin' is wrong. It's that simple. You can ignore what science can teach us about this virus and the things we can do to protect ourselves, but you cant ignore the virus itself.

    The virus does what the virus does. And you either respect that or you become its victim in one way or another.

    A wise man doesnt delight in his own understanding. A wise man, today, will heed what those with the medical and scientific training to sift out fact from fiction and that are studying this pandemic are recommending.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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