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  • #91
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    It was amusing that Sargon saw himself as a centrist when his views were so obviously extreme right-wing to any watching his clips. His ill-fated political run with UKIP kinda outed him on that front.

    Wikipedia seems to agree with your assessment of Tim Pool as being much same... a right winger who pretends to be leftist but isn't. Wiki:
    Pool's political commentary has been... described as right-wing.[34]... According to Politico, Pool's "views on issues including social media bias and immigration often align with conservatives'".[35] ... He has described himself as a social liberal who supported Bernie Sanders in 2016.

    Maybe a lot of these right-wingers think they can get more views if they pretend to be somewhat liberal, and think their extreme right-wing views somehow won't be blindingly obvious to viewers?
    Wiki, the unbiased source of information. That's always the credible source I use when I want to find out about someone I know nothing about nor ever watched any of their videos before.

    Even your own abysmal biased source says he's leftwing with some issues that align right, or in my own words, that don't exist in the political sphere of the nutty regressive left. Yeah, from that we conclude he's a rightwinger pretending to be leftwing.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      So there are two branches of Marxism. The question is which branch is BLM following?
      Almost without exception everyone in the West who is a Marxist belongs to the Democratic Socialist branch.

      Especially in this day and age where the giant failures of Leninism are obvious to all.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Not a thing.
        Umm. Don't tell me. Tell the BLM person -- Patrisse Cullors. This is not the exact way she said it but this is not a bad summation.

        I can dig that you are trained in some idealistic sense of Marxism. But the real Marxism involves tactics to invoke the proletariat uprising. Do you just want to call it anti-American revolutionists who are wishing to leave the country vulnerable to a communist dictatorship? We are getting into semantics here.

        You are trying to protect an ideology. We are interested in protecting our nation.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
          Umm. Don't tell me. Tell the BLM person -- Patrisse Cullors. This is not the exact way she said it but this is not a bad summation.
          I had a look at what she said. It was along the lines of "I know a lot about a lot of different political ideas".

          I can dig that you are trained in some idealistic sense of Marxism.
          "trained"?

          I read and learn a lot, about things that interest me.

          But the real Marxism involves tactics to invoke the proletariat uprising.


          No. You're a lunatic.

          Do you just want to call it anti-American revolutionists who are wishing to leave the country vulnerable to a communist dictatorship?
          More lunacy.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            Almost without exception everyone in the West who is a Marxist belongs to the Democratic Socialist branch.

            Especially in this day and age where the giant failures of Leninism are obvious to all.
            Again, which principles of Marxism are Democratic Socialists following?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #96
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Again, which principles of Marxism are Democratic Socialists following?
              For the third time:

              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              As I said in an earlier post, the two major themes in the works of Marx are a desire for more Democracy, and more rights/control/ownership in/of the workplace by/for workers.
              Wiki, first line:
              Democratic socialism is a political philosophy... with a particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy and workers' self-management[2]
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                I had a look at what she said. It was along the lines of "I know a lot about a lot of different political ideas".

                "trained"?

                I read and learn a lot, about things that interest me.



                No. You're a lunatic.

                More lunacy.
                Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't understand how peaceful the tactics were in taking over part of the Seattle. I'm not sure how you interpret this as a peaceful gathering.

                Everything is consistent with the attempt to destabilize the country. The tearing down of the historical statues is representing the efforts to have a single communist voice in the country.

                You need something more substantial than mockery to make a useful point here.

                You could try to say that the Democrat leaders are not pushing for this revolution but, in fact, they are supporting terrorists. You can make your argument though.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                  Everything is consistent with the attempt to destabilize the country.
                  I'm sure you can find all sorts of random support for your invented theories, but just because something looks consistent with some random idea you've come up with, doesn't mean that the person actually doing those things has that as their literal goal.

                  The tearing down of the historical statues is representing the efforts to have a single communist voice in the country.
                  You say the wackiest things.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                    Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't understand how peaceful the tactics were in taking over part of the Seattle. I'm not sure how you interpret this as a peaceful gathering.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                      By what measurement other than self-testimony is he left-wing. I checked some posts of his, they're pretty much straight up right-wing posts. Can you give some examples where he is a liberal? Otherwise he seems no more different than Sargon of Akkad, who is another right-winger who calls himself a leftist.
                      SeanD, Seer and co. are far-right, extreme right even from an OECD perspective. They are in such a small bubble that even what is considered right-wing in Europe would be left in their extreme world view. The European left is extreme left to them, pretty much everyone in the west is a Marxist in their extreme little eyes.

                      If their electoral system wasn't so broken, they would form a small part of the wider right, probably like in Europe with the "theocratic" parties, the "racist" parties (i.e., presumed racists) AfD in Germany for instance, or the extremist economic parties that hate tax because of some far-right ideology.

                      Extremists, is what you're talking to for the most part. I guess you probably know that, but sometimes its unclear.
                      Last edited by Zara; 06-25-2020, 06:50 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        I'm sure you can find all sorts of random support for your invented theories, but just because something looks consistent with some random idea you've come up with, doesn't mean that the person actually doing those things has that as their literal goal.

                        You say the wackiest things.
                        You are losing the little value you have had for entertaining us. Do you have something substantial to add to the discussion?

                        What is your theory of the philsophy and reason for these revolutionists? This is not a racism thing. They are trying to destroy the American system.

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                        • Originally posted by Zara View Post
                          SeanD, Seer and co. are far-right, extreme right even from an OECD perspective. They are in such a small bubble that even what is considered right-wing in Europe would be left in their extreme world view. The European left is extreme left to them, pretty much everyone in the west is a Marxist in their extreme little eyes.

                          If their electoral system wasn't so broken, they would form a small part of the wider right, probably like in Europe with the "theocratic" parties, the "racist" parties (i.e., presumed racists) AfD in Germany for instance, or the extremist economic parties that hate tax because of some far-right ideology.

                          Extremists, is what you're talking to for the most part. I guess you probably know that, but sometimes its unclear.
                          The sad thing is they are so unaware of the rest of the world that everything you just said would be news to them, and they'll object strongly to your statements. They really have no clue how much they come across as extremists to the rest of the Western world, and they themselves see the majority of the Western world as the extremists. In their own bubble within current extremist US politics they see themselves as being totally reasonable and firmly within 'normal' conservatism/libertarianism, and if anything they seem to love to label themselves 'centrist' when asked about where on the continuum they fall.
                          Last edited by Starlight; 06-25-2020, 07:28 PM.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            What is your theory of the philsophy and reason for these revolutionists?
                            High unemployment currently due to covid, especially among black people, is leading to a lot of people with time on their hands, which they are now able to use in civic protests to express complaints about the current state of affairs (police shootings / excessive force, offensive statues, prevalent racism, Trump's governance etc) that they have long had but not had the time for complaining about. The publicity around the videoed murder of George Floyd by police was a trigger event for many, and made some of the problems obvious to many who were previously unaware how bad it was.

                            To say they have any one set of philosophy, reason, or goals, falsely implies unity amongst this hugely diverse grassroots mass of people. At most one could point to some themes more commonly expressed than others, which are those I listed above. It's a pretty basic error of logic to assume that all individuals within such a massive and diverse group somehow share the same views and goals.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 06-25-2020, 07:26 PM.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • Originally posted by Zara View Post
                              SeanD, Seer and co. are far-right, extreme right even from an OECD perspective. They are in such a small bubble that even what is considered right-wing in Europe would be left in their extreme world view. The European left is extreme left to them, pretty much everyone in the west is a Marxist in their extreme little eyes.

                              If their electoral system wasn't so broken, they would form a small part of the wider right, probably like in Europe with the "theocratic" parties, the "racist" parties (i.e., presumed racists) AfD in Germany for instance, or the extremist economic parties that hate tax because of some far-right ideology.

                              Extremists, is what you're talking to for the most part. I guess you probably know that, but sometimes its unclear.
                              You're just completely and utterly wrong about the nuances of the American political parties, and it makes me think either you're likely not from here (yet another international twebber trying to interpret American politics better than an American) or you're just clueless beyond belief. If anything the right has gone CENTER right, especially when it comes to fiscal polices, of which they are utterly lax on now. Look what the so-called "rightwing" SCOTUS just voted on in favor of tans rights. You. Are. Clueless in regards to US politics.

                              Your argument is further debunked by the fact there is a clear rift between moderate democrats and progressives. Why is that? Because the progressive left, the NEW left, has gone further into kook-kookville of political delusion, of which the moderates want no part of (though they do acquiescence to a degree because they have to where it's politically expedient).

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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                The sad thing is they are so unaware of the rest of the world that everything you just said would be news to them, and they'll object strongly to your statements. They really have no clue how much they come across as extremists to the rest of the Western world, and they themselves see the majority of the Western world as the extremists. In their own bubble within current extremist US politics they see themselves as being totally reasonable and firmly within 'normal' conservatism/libertarianism.
                                For the most part the things I believe were main stream 30-40 years ago in this country. And even today my beliefs track with 30-50% of the country - depending on the exact issue. And why on earth would I care what most western countries believe - they are committing national suicide. They have allowed Islamists to take over whole swaths of their country. And talk about a bubble - you live in an insignificant country that really doesn't add anything useful to mankind, and never did.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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