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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    That was a little harsh but accurate. I have found that the God's sovereignty side tends to start with the conclusion and then fit the verses to their conclusion. So in the example verse, "chose this day whom you will serve", chose doesn't mean chose as a free will chose. The word play is vaguely gnostic - there's hidden knowledge that only the initiate knows.

    I would be a fool to say God's sovereignty doesn't exist. The best I can come up with is God in His sovereigncy has decided in some areas He is not going to be sovereign. This is also an issue I've decided I'll never understand this side of Heaven.
    Sorry, I wasn't going for harsh...simply direct and maybe a little emphatic.

    It's confusing I agree...I think part of the problem is the importation or incursion of Greek metaphysics into Christianity. The concept of the immovable mover, im-passionate God, has skewed our view of God beyond what the the Bible actually has to say about who and what God is. God's sovereignty type theology is a direct correlation of that thinking. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    Yes, God's choice is for everyone to come to repentance, see 2 Peter 3:9. And again, Joshua's charge to Israel "...Choose this day..."
    And to reiterate, Joshua's charge is to choose which idol they will serve! But I agree that God's will is for everyone to repent, and for that reason, I hope that everyone will be chosen by God for repentance, whether in this life, or in the next.

    No, please be specific.
    Birth, new creation, seeds being sown in the ground, resurrection from the dead, all these are passive on our part.

    Your own theology decries you Lee...according to your theology it's God's will that some choose not to serve him...how do you escape that paradox?
    Because Scripture makes it clear that some disobey because of the will of God:

    "Why, LORD, do you make us wander from your ways
    and harden our hearts so we do not revere you?" (Isa. 63:17)

    "For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:

    'He has blinded their eyes
    and hardened their hearts,
    so they can neither see with their eyes,
    nor understand with their hearts,
    nor turn—and I would heal them.' " (John 12:39–40)

    I'm taking it as a given that you are a brother in Christ so....is every choice you make in God's will? Are you free from committing acts that are considered sin? I'm not, though I strive to be...
    Me either, but when I sin, that places me in bondage, until I repent. But what concerns me here, is when I don't sin, am I free to act own my own initiative? Are there free choices, within the will of God?

    Or are we instead, bound to say and do just what we hear from the Father, or see the Father doing?

    "For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken." (John 12:49)

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    Sorry, I wasn't going for harsh...simply direct and maybe a little emphatic.

    It's confusing I agree...I think part of the problem is the importation or incursion of Greek metaphysics into Christianity. The concept of the immovable mover, im-passionate God, has skewed our view of God beyond what the the Bible actually has to say about who and what God is. God's sovereignty type theology is a direct correlation of that thinking. IMO.
    I agree. This is one of those issues that I've come to realize I won't understand until Heaven.
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