How much of this is Trump's fault?

[Cow Poke]

How mature are you? You're just as bad as MM. Maybe grow up; I'm sure the bible has something to say about this. Hmm.

I'm guessing you're what, 14?

[Zara]

It's like this...

Liberals: "A million people are going to die if we don't do something!"

The Trump administration puts a plan into place that keeps the death toll to a miniscule fraction of that.

Liberals: "Oh yeah? Well, he still did a bad job, so there!"

According to your standard, has he done a bad job? Since you don't agree with the predictions - against what are you making the judgement. If it's according to his own standard, he has definitely done a bad job.

According to my standard, you're so far from being out of the woods, current claims to 'having done a good job' are about as immature as your average post.

[Zara]

I'm guessing you're what, 14?

I know you're old, meanwhile you continue to act like, what, 14?

[Mountain Man]

According to your standard, has he done a bad job? Since you don't agree with the predictions - against what are you making the judgement. If it's according to his own standard, he has definitely done a bad job.

According to my standard, you're so far from being out of the woods, current claims to 'having done a good job' are about as immature as your average post.

I bet you're the meanest kid on the grade school playground.

[Zara]

I bet you're the meanest kid on the grade school playground.

Ohh look. You ran out of argument so you're back to insults. Real mature.

[Cow Poke]

I know you're old, meanwhile you continue to act like, what, 14?

Dear Lord, PLEASE send us at least one liberal with a sense of humor, and doesn't act like an angry tyrant.

Amen.

[Zara]

Dear Lord, PLEASE send us at least one liberal with a sense of humor, and doesn't act like an angry tyrant.

Amen.

Yawn.

[Cow Poke]

Yawn.

That often means you're not getting enough oxygen.

[rogue06]

And as a leader has done a worse job than most of the rest of the world, and the spike in cases is still on the uptick. As a matter of fact the new cases per day are higher now than they were in April.

While the number of fatalities steadily drops.

Just wondering, do you think that the massive increase in testing might have anything to do with the number of people reported as having had the Chicom coronavirus increasing?

[rogue06]

Ferguson and his team's modelling has been questioned but bear in mind, this isn't over yet.

True. They made similar sensational death estimates concerning mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu and yet are continued to be viewed as the go-to experts.

Meanwhile, as increased testing finds more folks who were infected the rate in the number of fatalities is steadily decreasing.

[little_monkey]

While the number of fatalities steadily drops.

Wrong, the number of fatalities doesn't drop. It increases either linearly or exponentially, or stays the same if the pandemic has ended but doesn't drop, assuming the counting has been done correctly all along.

[Roy]

If you measure by sheer number of cases, yes. However, the US has the 3rd highest population in the world (behind China and India) so of course we are going to have more cases. D'oh.

I prefer to look at the per capita cases to see how we're doing compared to other countries. From RealClearPolitics chart: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

county: deaths per 1million pop; fatality rate on confirmed cases
US: 329.9; 4.85%
UK: 655.4; 13.97%
France: 444.5; 18.28%
Mexico: 211.2; 12.29%
Netherlands: 354.4; 12.16%

You can go read the chart for yourself. Ok, I'll agree the US doesn't have the best results in the world. But when I look at the numbers I have a hard time believing we have "one of the worst results in the world".

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries gives statistics for over 200 countries. The USA is in the worst 10 of those 200+ for deaths/million. Of those 10, only the USA and Sweden are among the 28 countries which had more than 1 death/million yesterday. The US is also in the worst 10 countries for new cases/million, and 12th worst for total cases/million.

Whether you look at cases or fatalities, current rates or overall totals, per capita or not, the USA is near the bottom. The USA clearly has "one of the worst results in the world".

[Roy]

It's all relative, and it's down to the response of individual states -- with the exception of Killer Cuomo and his sister state New Jersey, the US has done exceptionally well overall.

That is utter garbage:

Country/state	Deaths per million
New Jersey	1703
New York	1619
San Marino	1238
Connecticut	1212
Massachusetts	1174
Rhode Island	893
Belgium	840
Washington DC	781
Louisiana	690
Andorra	673
UK	642
Michigan	617
Spain	606
Italy	575
Illinois	561
Sweden	526
Maryland	525
Pennsylvania	521
Delaware	521
France	457
USA	389

Deluded morons like you are getting people killed.

[Roy]

But as Thoughtful Monk pointed out, a comparison of per capita numbers shows that the US is doing at least as well as any other country at mitigating the China flu.

More complete garbage. An actual comparison of per capita numbers shows the exact opposite - that almost every other country is doing better than the US, which ranks 202^nd and 205^th out of 213 at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[Mountain Man]

More complete garbage. An actual comparison of per capita numbers shows the exact opposite - that almost every other country is doing better than the US, which ranks 202^nd and 207^th out of 213 at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Um... look at your own source. Based on deaths per 1 million, the US is doing at least as well as countries with similar population sizes and/or densities, and in some cases doing significantly better. It's also a fact many doctors in the US are overstating deaths caused by the China flu, and Democrat run states like New York that had the insane policy of packing sick vulnerable people into nursing homes also unnecessarily increased the totals.

So all things considered, the US is doing very well, and we're far, far below the original predictions and models that were being tossed around in the early days.