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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    No one predicted millions of death as a thing which might come to pass.

    As long as you repeat this false claim, I will repeatedly correct you.
    Here is from whence a lot of the predictions came....

    2.2 Million American Deaths from Covid-19?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Here is from whence a lot of the predictions came....

    2.2 Million American Deaths from Covid-19?
    That's a prediction based on the virus going unchecked.

    The virus did not go unchecked, and anyone who thought that we might do nothing about it is an idiot.

    Maintaining that people predicted several millions deaths is dishonest, because the prediction relied upon a situation which was never going to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    There you go with your dishonest and disparaging remarks again. What is it with you CP, you just can't help yourself or what? Name me one person here who has wished for more deaths or financial ruin.
    All too easy...


    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    As the late Billy Mays used to say, "But wait, there's more!"

    Aside from Maher (who actually doubled down on his remarks as well as our own little jimmy defending him

    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    In defense of Mr. Maher, the survival of democracy is more important to him than the temporary setback in an improving economy which improvement Trump had little to do with anyway.
    you also have folks such as Paul Krugman, the economist for your precious New York Times, who has been pining for what he calls the "Trump Slump" among other things. This is the same clown who proclaimed that the stock market would "never" recover from its initial sell-off on news of a Trump victory and that Trump's election would immediately trigger a global recession.

    And recently Rep. John Delaney (D - MD) chastised members in his own party for cheer leading for a financial collapse: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN DELANEY SAYS 'SOME DEMOCRATS ARE CHEERING ON A RECESSION' TO 'STICK IT TO TRUMP'


    ETA: I managed to omit that a long-time staffer for the left leaning, nakedly anti-Trump Atlantic magazine thought it necessary to caution readers to not root for a recession just because one would likely hurt Trump and a writer at New York magazine pondering the question of whether a recession is worth getting rid of Trump and concluding it would be a mixed bag:

    We all would like to see Trump gone in 2021. If we also believe that a recession would significantly boost the odds of that happening, should we be rooting for one, despite the pain it would cause millions of people?

    ...

    My take is that if you believe a second Trump term would be a true disaster for the country and for the world ó and I count myself among those who do ó itís not insane to have mixed feelings about all this.

    So little jimmy, your ganja-addled self, along with many others, have supported "financial ruin" as the above demonstrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    That's a prediction based on the virus going unchecked.

    The virus did not go unchecked, and anyone who thought that we might do nothing about it is an idiot.

    Maintaining that people predicted several millions deaths is dishonest, because the prediction relied upon a situation which was never going to exist.
    FWIU some of those predictions of between 1 and 2.2 MILLION Chicom coronavirus-related deaths factored in things like social distancing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    No one predicted millions of death as a thing which might come to pass.

    As long as you repeat this false claim, I will repeatedly correct you.
    Wrong.

    Neil Ferguson and his colleagues at Imperial College London gathered an enormous amount of attention in very short order by producing enormous fatality rate estimates such as 510,000 dead in Britain and up to 2,200,000 in the U.S. (Paper)

    Here is how the New York Times reported it:

    Source: Behind the Virus Report That Jarred the U.S. and the U.K. to Action


    It wasnít so much the numbers themselves, frightening though they were, as who reported them: Imperial College London.
    ...

    That messy back-and-forth has been on vivid display this week with the publication of a startling new report on the virus from a team at Imperial College in London. The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the governmentís comparatively relaxed response to the virus.

    American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public
    .



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    Nicholas Kristof echoed this in an op-ed for the paper:

    Source: The Best-Case Outcome for the Coronavirus, and the Worst


    Will we endure 2.2 million deaths? Or will we manage to turn things around?
    ...


    Dr. Neil M. Ferguson, a British epidemiologist who is regarded as one of the best disease modelers in the world, produced a sophisticated model with a worst case of 2.2 million deaths in the United States.

    I asked Ferguson for his best case. ďAbout 1.1 million deaths,Ē he said.

    When thatís a best-case scenario, itís difficult to feel optimistic.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    No one predicted millions of death as a thing which might come to pass.

    As long as you repeat this false claim, I will repeatedly correct you.
    I didn't say "millions". If you're going to insist on nitpicking my every post, you could at least bother to read what I've actually written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    That's a prediction based on the virus going unchecked.

    The virus did not go unchecked...
    Exactly, it didn't go unchecked. The Trump administration took steps to mitigate the spread of the China flu, and as a result, we've seen a minuscule fraction of what was originally modeled and predicted.

    So does Trump get the credit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think, as the thread I started suggested, that Memorial Day was an early "Independence Day", where people were fed up with being shut in, and went on about their family gatherings, picnics, swim parties, etc...

    It's pretty hard to battle the human spirit of "I want freedom".
    Freedom at any price seems to be the attitude among some. I want my freedom and if I infect Joe and he carries the virus to his elderly parent or his friend undergoing chemo, well that's Joe, his friend, and/or Joe's parent's 's tough luck. I want my freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Wrong.

    Neil Ferguson and his colleagues at Imperial College London gathered an enormous amount of attention in very short order by producing enormous fatality rate estimates such as 510,000 dead in Britain and up to 2,200,000 in the U.S. (Paper)

    Here is how the New York Times reported it:

    Source: Behind the Virus Report That Jarred the U.S. and the U.K. to Action


    It wasnít so much the numbers themselves, frightening though they were, as who reported them: Imperial College London.
    ...

    That messy back-and-forth has been on vivid display this week with the publication of a startling new report on the virus from a team at Imperial College in London. The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the governmentís comparatively relaxed response to the virus.

    American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public
    .



    Source

    © Copyright Original Source



    Nicholas Kristof echoed this in an op-ed for the paper:

    Source: The Best-Case Outcome for the Coronavirus, and the Worst


    Will we endure 2.2 million deaths? Or will we manage to turn things around?
    ...


    Dr. Neil M. Ferguson, a British epidemiologist who is regarded as one of the best disease modelers in the world, produced a sophisticated model with a worst case of 2.2 million deaths in the United States.

    I asked Ferguson for his best case. ďAbout 1.1 million deaths,Ē he said.

    When thatís a best-case scenario, itís difficult to feel optimistic.



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    Ferguson and his team's modelling has been questioned but bear in mind, this isn't over yet.
    "Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fantasies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    Freedom at any price seems to be the attitude among some. I want my freedom and if I infect Joe and he carries the virus to his elderly parent or his friend undergoing chemo, well that's Joe, his friend, and/or Joe's parent's 's tough luck. I want my freedom.
    Sadly, yeah, there's a lot of that.
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