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How much of this is Trump's fault?
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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRegardless of what predictions were The result of the US response is one of the worst results in the world and continues to get worse.
I prefer to look at the per capita cases to see how we're doing compared to other countries. From RealClearPolitics chart: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
county: deaths per 1million pop; fatality rate on confirmed cases
US: 329.9; 4.85%
UK: 655.4; 13.97%
France: 444.5; 18.28%
Mexico: 211.2; 12.29%
Netherlands: 354.4; 12.16%
You can go read the chart for yourself. Ok, I'll agree the US doesn't have the best results in the world. But when I look at the numbers I have a hard time believing we have "one of the worst results in the world". We seem somewhere in the average results and frankly it looks like one of the best places to be to survive if you do get it."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostWhat's your point? You think those counties with low numbers are shielded?? If no measures are taken, they will suffer the same fate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostWhat's your point? You think those counties with low numbers are shielded?? If no measures are taken, they will suffer the same fate.
As long as it doesn't overwhelm health resources it doesn't matter."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostYes, he gets the credit for making the US the worst country on the planet dealing with the pandemic.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm sure glad you're on "their" side.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBut the fact remains: the impact of the China flu on the US has been a minuscule fraction of what was originally predicted.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostIf you measure by sheer number of cases, yes. However, the US has the 3rd highest population in the world (behind China and India) so of course we are going to have more cases. D'oh.
I prefer to look at the per capita cases to see how we're doing compared to other countries. From RealClearPolitics chart: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
county: deaths per 1million pop; fatality rate on confirmed cases
US: 329.9; 4.85%
UK: 655.4; 13.97%
France: 444.5; 18.28%
Mexico: 211.2; 12.29%
Netherlands: 354.4; 12.16%
You can go read the chart for yourself. Ok, I'll agree the US doesn't have the best results in the world. But when I look at the numbers I have a hard time believing we have "one of the worst results in the world". We seem somewhere in the average results and frankly it looks like one of the best places to be to survive if you do get it.
I would simply add that just because infection percentages are low (relatively-speaking) doesn't mean that one country's 5% (for example) is equivalent to another's. It surely has to count that "5%" meaning 100,000 people and "5%" meaning 10 million people aren't comparable.
And really, the US has liked to think of itself as a world leader and a super-power; shouldn't we be doing better on a number of fronts, given our technology and wealth? More to the point, shouldn't we be avoiding the kind of resurgence we're currently experiencing?
Again, I agree with your analysis. I just think it's an incomplete picture.
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostNo one that I know is on the side of the corona virus.
To defeat this pandemic is a no brainer. I wear a mask so you don't get contaminated from me. You wear a mask so I don't get contaminated from you. If everyone wears a mask, no one gets contaminated.
End of pandemic. But it takes leaders to enforce that. In the US, there is definitely a lack of leadership.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, which means that the efforts by the administration to "flatten the curve" have been a YUGE success
Not even close :)
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostConsidering that the curve isn't flat but is instead sloping up, and that we're the only post-industrial country where this is so - no. It doesn't mean that.
Not even close :)
It's pretty hard to battle the human spirit of "I want freedom".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat's amazing is how the left seems to be clinging to the hope that it will get REALLY worse, because it looks worse for Trump.
Same with the economy.
How sad it must be to be in a position to wish deaths and financial ruin on your country for political purposes.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere you go with your dishonest and disparaging remarks again.
Apparently, you've really allowed me to get under your incredibly thin skin, but there's nothing I've said that can be construed as "dishonest".
What is it CP, you just can't help yourself or what? Name me one person here who has wished for more deaths or financial ruin.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJim, if I've said something dishonest, then man up and point it out in the same post where you make that gutless cowardly claim, OK?
Apparently, you've really allowed me to get under your incredibly thin skin, but there's nothing I've said that can be construed as "dishonest".
Even you wouldn't be stupid enough to admit it openly, Jim.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh, I see, so you just accuse people of saying stuff because it's what you believe they think, but not what they've actually said they think. Gotcha!
Thanks.
PS -- you might try educating yourself on Tweb's actually policy of accusing others of lying.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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