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  • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
    The Russian bounties story was included in the PDB.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/polit...ing/index.html


    The intelligence that assessed there was an effort by a Russian military intelligence unit to pay the Taliban to kill US soldiers was included in one of President Donald Trump's daily briefings on intelligence matters sometime in the spring, according to a US official with direct knowledge of the latest information.
    That assessment, the source said, was backed up by "several pieces of information" that supported the view that there was an effort by the Russian intelligence unit -- the GRU -- to pay bounties to kill US soldiers, including interrogation of Taliban detainees and electronic eavesdropping. The source said there was some other information that did not corroborate this view but said, nonetheless, '"This was a big deal. When it's about US troops you go after it 100%, with everything you got."


    So now one needs to ask why Trump, Pence, Ratcliffe and Grenell lied.
    "Sources say..."

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a hundred times with the exact same ruse, I'm probably a liberal moron.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      It wasn't my article, it was FOX News reporting an official statement from the White House saying that both Republican and Democrat congressmen will be briefed. You conceded this point.
      Hey idiot, this is what your article said


      The press secretary said the White House had invited eight members of Congress from both parties to be briefed on the situation Monday afternoon.


      That is false.

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      • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
        Hey idiot, this is what your article said


        The press secretary said the White House had invited eight members of Congress from both parties to be briefed on the situation Monday afternoon.


        That is false.
        How is it false? He's briefing eight members from each party. You conceded this yourself. Are you trying to backpedal?

        As I read the sentence, the invite was sent out on Monday, it doesn't say the briefing was necessarily happening on Monday. For Democrats, it's happening tomorrow.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by [Neil
          Patrick [Harris];756689]How is it false? He's briefing eight members from each party. You conceded this yourself. Are you trying to backpedal?

          As I read the sentence, the invite was sent out on Monday, it doesn't say the briefing was necessarily happening on Monday. For Democrats, it's happening tomorrow.
          Sure thing "Christian."

          Are you saying FNC editors can't identify a dangling modifier when they see one? I *suck* at English and I can see it.
          Last edited by DivineOb; 06-29-2020, 08:48 PM.

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          • https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/u...?smid=tw-share


            American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan,


            This is going to keep getting uglier.

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            • Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/u...?smid=tw-share


              American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan,


              This is going to keep getting uglier.
              Allow me to summarize:

              ... two officials familiar with the matter said...

              ... according to multiple officials familiar with the matter ...


              Still waiting for someone with a name to step forward and put their reputation on the allegations.

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              • Republican Senators signalling that this scandal has legs.

                https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-russia-345160

                Key committee chairs made clear on Monday that they will press the White House for answers about the intelligence assessments, and GOP senators pushed President Donald Trump to exact severe punishments on the Kremlin


                Republicans only do the right thing if it makes their re-election more likely so this scandal must be pretty bad to risk openly defying Russian asset Trump.
                Last edited by DivineOb; 06-29-2020, 10:10 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                  Allow me to summarize:

                  ... two officials familiar with the matter said...

                  ... according to multiple officials familiar with the matter ...


                  Still waiting for someone with a name to step forward and put their reputation on the allegations.
                  These aren't names but the sources in that article are getting awfully specific



                  If you think this and the other leaks about Trump's phone calls with leaders is more than the very tip of the iceberg I've got an entirely fair and above board 2016 election to sell you.
                  Last edited by DivineOb; 06-29-2020, 10:31 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
                    Are you saying FNC editors can't identify a dangling modifier when they see one?
                    A lot of news organizations tend to be sloppy in their rush to get a story out before the competition.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
                      These aren't names but the sources in that article are getting awfully specific



                      If you think this and the other leaks about Trump's phone calls with leaders is more than the very tip of the iceberg I've got an entirely fair and above board 2016 election to sell you.
                      More unconfirmed "sources say" rumormongering. Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to keep falling for this?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Here's a named source speaking on the record...

                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Here's a named source speaking on the record...
                          Can you imagine if the decision of the "career person" to brief-or-not-to-brief the president was left up to someone like Strozk or Comey? And they decided not to brief him, and then scoot their information over to the New York Times? Setting Trump up for a fall? I wouldn't put it past some of these people.

                          It's interesting how this months-old alleged incident is only coming out now nearer election time.

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Here's a named source speaking on the record...

                            The briefing is simply the White House telling what they want to tell. The Briefing needs to come from the Intel community, not from the White House.

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Here's a named source speaking on the record...

                              1) So the info *was* in the President's Daily Briefing
                              2) Presidents read the PDB. To claim otherwise is just a bold faced lie.
                              3) Once this broke Trump spent 2 days golfing rather than try to get to the bottom of it
                              4) We now have confirmation from a *named source* that this Intel exists
                              5) Chris Murphy also that this intel edxists
                              6) He is lying to say it's commonplace for Presidents to ignore the PDB. A bold faced lie.

                              More lies. The information in the PDB is the best vetted and/or most relevant intel for the President (duh).

                              So now that we have *confirmation* from both a Republican and Democrat that this is a real thing what is Trump going to do about it? Where is Trump's fury and righteous desire to retaliate?

                              And why did Ratfink and Grennell lie about the intel existing?

                              It has been nearly 96 hours and 36 holes of golf since this broke. What is Trump's response? When will he address the nation and indicate he has directed a round of punishing sanctions against his butt buddy Putin?
                              Last edited by DivineOb; 06-30-2020, 12:07 PM.

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                              • So for all those of you blasting that this was just made up by "the failing" NYT I've got a big pile of crow over here for you. MM gets a double portion just because I like his face. I'll wait for you all to man up and admit your error.

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