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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, I get that, but "Climate Change" was the biggest threat to mankind EVER, and we were constantly being warned and threatened....

    It remains the greatest threat to humanity.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      It remains the greatest threat to humanity.
      Says the guy who can't tell the difference between a statement and a question.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Okay then, let's try for one that's more likely to upset you / make you think.

        20 years ago I was a Christian. If I now wrote an article apologising to the world for all the evils of Christianity and admitting how wrong it was about all its key claims, and gave it to you and your fellow Christians here to read, do you think you would take it at all seriously? I don't.

        Do you think it's fair to expect a different response when you post something from some random guy, and expect us to take it seriously because he was an environmentalist 20 years ago?
        In that case you would be seeking forgiveness in all the wrong places.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Says the guy who can't tell the difference between a statement and a question.
          Says the person that needs to go back to school to learn that a question can be a statement.

          Source: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/logical-and-critical-thinking/0/steps/9136#:~:text=Questions%2C%20commands%20and%20advice%20are,used%20to%20express%20a%20statement.


          Questions, commands and advice are typically not statements, because they do not express something that is either true or false. But sometimes people use them rhetorically to express statements. We saw an example of a question which by itself is not a statement, but can be used to express a statement.

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          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            Says the person that needs to go back to school to learn that a question can be a statement.
            Says the duiffis (is that how you spell it?) who can't figure out your and you're.

            Bye, Shuny --- you are OUTTA here.

            (since you have a hard time understanding the English language - this means you are being instructed to leave the thread)
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Says the duiffis (is that how you spell it?) who can't figure out your and you're.

              Bye, Shuny --- you are OUTTA here.

              (since you have a hard time understanding the English language - this means you are being instructed to leave the thread)
              You've really lost it.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Yeah, I get that, but "Climate Change" was the biggest threat to mankind EVER, and we were constantly being warned and threatened....
                Well if you asked me to create a list of most severe threats to humanity it would mostly be things we're not in a position to do anything about (involving outer space - like gamma ray bursts, the sun going out, giant meteors hitting earth), but probably climate change and nuclear war and possibly pandemics would be the 2-3 highest of the list of serious threats we're in a position to do something about.

                So yes, it is a serious threat, like nuclear war is, and needs to be considered carefully, seriously, and rationally, and steps need to be taken to ensure worst-case scenarios don't come to pass.

                I guess I don't see a problem with people over-hyping the threat because the downsides of taking it too seriously are infinitesimal in comparison to the downsides of not taking it seriously enough. Were there people in the 50s and 60s who took the threat of nuclear war too seriously, and scared themselves silly with the thought of it and had panic attacks about it? Sure. Probably. Were those people who were too worried about nuclear war, overall, truly a problem for the world? Not really. A few overanxious people is a pretty small price to pay for erring on the side of caution. Actually having a large scale nuclear war would have been utterly catastrophic by comparison.

                I see climate change the same way. A few people hyperventilating about the threat? Doesn't really matter in the greater scheme of things. Climate change actually occurring on a large scale? Devastating. Whole countries could become uninhabitable, and entire populations of peoples would be forced to migrate on a scale we haven't seen in recorded human history, which would probably then lead to wars over habitable territory on a scale we haven't seen before (perhaps nuclear war in the worst case scenario). And even in countries least affected, the economic meltdown as previously arable land becomes unfit for purpose and the previously most-expensive seaside real-estate goes to zero in value, could cause economic depressions and job losses the likes of which we haven't seen before. If the oceans continue to acidify due to increased CO2 in them, pretty much all marine life will die, which will mean that any and all peoples, economies, and countries who make a living on fish or primarily eat fish will starve or go bankrupt. Hopefully, none of that will happen. Personally, I am optimistic about the future and don't think it will happen, because I think humanity will do a good enough job of recognizing the danger and acting to prevent the worst case scenarios.

                But it doesn't seem to me to be a huge problem if AOC says we need to start addressing the issue within 12 years and it turns out that that is factually incorrect and that actually only need to start addressing the issue within 112 years. If we act in haste to address the issue more speedily than we absolutely needed to, there is nothing wrong with that. Finishing your homework assignment early isn't bad. Leaving it til the last minute is. Makes me scratch my head as to why you would care so much about people being too worried about climate change. There seem very few downsides to being too worried, and obvious downsides to being not concerned enough if that leads the world to not act in time.
                Last edited by Starlight; 06-30-2020, 11:47 PM.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Says the duiffis (is that how you spell it?) who can't figure out your and you're.

                  Bye, Shuny --- you are OUTTA here.

                  (since you have a hard time understanding the English language - this means you are being instructed to leave the thread)
                  So, you ignore what he posted, and push him around because you didn't like him proving you wrong?

                  Yeah, that's what I'm coming to expect more and more from these forums. It's the main reason I left them almost a decade ago, and your post here suggests that it might be necessary again.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Pretty much, yeah. COVID and anarchy have pretty much taken all the oxygen out of the "Climate Change" debate.
                    For those who only read/watch the popular press, possibly.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                      So, you ignore what he posted, and push him around because you didn't like him proving you wrong?

                      Yeah, that's what I'm coming to expect more and more from these forums. It's the main reason I left them almost a decade ago, and your post here suggests that it might be necessary again.
                      Remember Acton's warning to his son regarding power!
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                        And I expected nothing different from you all.
                        Do the facts cause irritation?
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                          It remains the greatest threat to humanity.
                          I thought orange man was the existential threat?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Yeah, I get that, but "Climate Change" was the biggest threat to mankind EVER, and we were constantly being warned and threatened....
                            I think it might be more accurate to regard it as a major threat to human society was we in the west now live it. I am sure that humanity will continue - albeit possibly at somewhat different technological levels.

                            However, as Starlight pointed out it may/will have a profound impact on human societies around the world with attendant risks of war over resources [habitable land and water] as well as the increased risk of more pandemics as humans encroach ever further into hitherto untouched ecosystems.

                            A palaeontologist friend jocularly suggested that, among the advice given to parents, the recommendation to teach their children to knap flint and make fire should be included.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              Do the facts cause irritation?
                              No. But alarmists do.


                              Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                                You've really lost it.
                                OH, the IRON E.

                                But that's OK, look at your lost buddies kissing your butt.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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