On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

[Cow Poke]

As long as there is growth, on average, there is also an infinite supply of money in the future and therefore we can borrow as much as we want. We can afford any future.

It's ABOUT TIME the voice of reason shared his uber wisdom with us!

Good to see you, ff.

[Ronson]

I made an observation that COVID seems to have cured "Climate Change"

All of a sudden, "Climate Change" has dropped to the background, and has pretty much become a non-issue, as all of its apologists seem to be embattled in the raging COVID battle.

For those who miss our polite and reasonable discussions on Climate Change, here's a new topic...

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

I forgive him. But then, I was never scared.

[Cow Poke]

I forgive him. But then, I was never scared.

Me too, neither.

[mossrose]

Me, three.

That's because I know Who's in charge!

[firstfloor]

It's ABOUT TIME the voice of reason shared his uber wisdom with us!

Good to see you, ff.

Such great wisdom must be used sparingly; to avoid alarm. I am always up for a chat CP. I hope you are keeping well. I see the cows.

A friend hereabouts has been trapping magpies because they eat the little songbirds. Someone comes to humanely kill them.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I made an observation that COVID seems to have cured "Climate Change"

All of a sudden, "Climate Change" has dropped to the background, and has pretty much become a non-issue, as all of its apologists seem to be embattled in the raging COVID battle.

For those who miss our polite and reasonable discussions on Climate Change, here's a new topic...

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

Has it "dropped to the background"? Certainly it was noted how quickly in some cities air quality improved around the world during lockdown but pollution has increased.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ds-up-in-ocean

And polluters around the world have been using the pandemic to acquire even more cash and to delay environmental protections.

So climate change may have "dropped to the background" for you [and possibly many others who only read the popular press], but it has not gone away.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Actually, I expect the alarmists will be along promptly to tell us that the writer of the piece is obviously not a real scientist

He isn't.

[Cow Poke]

Has it "dropped to the background"?

Pretty much, yeah. COVID and anarchy have pretty much taken all the oxygen out of the "Climate Change" debate.

[Starlight]

The OP website seems to be a propaganda site for nuclear power. I am pro nuclear power, but a propaganda website doesn't seem to be an inherently reliable source.

Obviously as a progressive, I both believe in the ability of humanity to rise to challenges, and believe that the world is gradually becoming a better place. Likewise I neither find climate change scary, nor think it will cause an apocalypse. But climate change is clearly real, and clearly a challenge facing humanity, and clearly we need to address it through rational and cooperative international action.

I don't have time to fact-check all the claims he makes (which look quite mixed in plausibility), but a bit of searching for some info on the guy suggests he dropped out of environmentalist movements 20 years ago and has been writing anti-environmentalist pieces since and doesn't have a background in science. I might still read his book though, if I can get a copy, as it seems to cover some interesting topics.

[Cow Poke]

The OP website seems to be a propaganda site for nuclear power. I am pro nuclear power, but a propaganda website doesn't seem to be an inherently reliable source.

Obviously as a progressive, I both believe in the ability of humanity to rise to challenges, and believe that the world is gradually becoming a better place. Likewise I neither find climate change scary, nor think it will cause an apocalypse. But climate change is clearly real, and clearly a challenge facing humanity, and clearly we need to address it through rational and cooperative international action.

I don't have time to fact-check all the claims he makes (which look quite mixed in plausibility), but a bit of searching for some info on the guy suggests he dropped out of environmentalist movements 20 years ago and has been writing anti-environmentalist pieces since and doesn't have a background in science. I might still read his book though, if I can get a copy, as it seems to cover some interesting topics.

Thank you, sir, for a downright reasonable post.

[Starlight]

Thank you, sir, for a downright reasonable post.

Okay then, let's try for one that's more likely to upset you / make you think.

20 years ago I was a Christian. If I now wrote an article apologising to the world for all the evils of Christianity and admitting how wrong it was about all its key claims, and gave it to you and your fellow Christians here to read, do you think you would take it at all seriously? I don't.

Do you think it's fair to expect a different response when you post something from some random guy, and expect us to take it seriously because he was an environmentalist 20 years ago?

[Starlight]

I made an observation that COVID seems to have cured "Climate Change"

All of a sudden, "Climate Change" has dropped to the background, and has pretty much become a non-issue, as all of its apologists seem to be embattled in the raging COVID battle.

I would say that obviously Covid is killing more people than Climate Change on a daily basis at the moment, so it is clearly the more urgent. If your section is subsiding gradually, you might spend years trying to address that problem, but then if your house is currently burning down, you don't stand inside the burning house discussing how your section has been subsiding over several years. Urgent problems have to take priority.

I did see a climate change article last week though: .

[mossrose]

He isn't.

And I expected nothing different from you all.

[Cow Poke]

Okay then, let's try for one that's more likely to upset you / make you think.

You guys don't get it --- It really takes quite a lot to get upset.

20 years ago I was a Christian. If I now wrote an article apologising to the world for all the evils of Christianity and admitting how wrong it was about all its key claims, and gave it to you and your fellow Christians here to read, do you think you would take it at all seriously? I don't.

I don't think this is gonna be the same. "Christian" can mean a lot of things from "I was born in Church" to "I was gloriously saved by the power of the Spirit".
Lots of people claim to have been Christians.

Do you think it's fair to expect a different response when you post something from some random guy, and expect us to take it seriously because he was an environmentalist 20 years ago?

You don't have to take it seriously - I posted it for conversation because, all of a sudden, "Climate Change" just kinda disappeared from the news.

[Cow Poke]

I would say that obviously Covid is killing more people than Climate Change on a daily basis at the moment, so it is clearly the more urgent. If your section is subsiding gradually, you might spend years trying to address that problem, but then if your house is currently burning down, you don't stand inside the burning house discussing how your section has been subsiding over several years. Urgent problems have to take priority.

I did see a climate change article last week though: .

Yeah, I get that, but "Climate Change" was the biggest threat to mankind EVER, and we were constantly being warned and threatened....