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  • #61
    Originally posted by whag View Post
    Asians don’t refer to themselves as “yellow people,” Archie.
    Wow. You really are some sort of rocket surgeon there whag. What's next? Your discovery that water is wet?

    Let's try this again. I'll try to type slower so that you can keep up

    If Native Americans themselves refer to themselves as "red people" then who are you to complain?

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #62
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Wow. You really are some sort of rocket surgeon there whag. What's next? Your discovery that water is wet?

      Let's try this again. I'll try to type slower so that you can keep up

      If Native Americans themselves refer to themselves as "red people" then who are you to complain?
      Ahem...again....

      Hence why you refer to Native Americans as “redskins” in their company?

      No? Alrighty then....

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      • #63
        Boy was this post hard to find, but it serves to illustrate the idiocy of those insisting everyone should be indignant over a team name.
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        This was demonstrated when the University of Northern Colorado (UNC) intramural basketball team decided to “raise awareness” by naming their team the “Fighting Whities” in early 2002.

        The team logo is a caricature of a 1950’s-era middle-aged white businessman and their slogan is: “Every thang’s [sic] gonna be all white.”


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        Solomon Little Owl, director of Native American Student Services at UNC, hoped to cause outrage and demonstrate what it felt like to be so demeaned but instead of outrage, white America was delighted with the spoof and the team has been overwhelmed with orders for the shirt displaying the team mascot! They ended up selling enough shirts that they were eventually able to endow a $79,000 scholarship fund for Native American students at Northern Colorado.

        Maybe the hypersensitive activists were the ones to learn a lesson here.

        Do you know what the name was of the first pro baseball team in Atlanta was?


        "Cracker" is generally considered a derogatory term for whites. Yet nobody got upset over the name in the over 60 years that they were here.

        People of Irish decent aren't freaking out over Notre Dame calling their team the Fighting Irish which plays on the stereotype of Irish being belligerent and ready to brawl over virtually anything.




        Likewise those of Scandinavian heritage aren't getting irate over the Minnesota NFL team being named Vikings which using LiBeraL loGicꓘ means that they are being called rapacious looters and pirates.

        Similarly, the vast majority of Native Americans aren't infuriated over the Washington NFL team being called Redskins.

        It is most white leftists telling them how they are supposed to feel, think and react because obviously they need to be told since they aren't capable of thinking, feeling and reacting "properly" themselves.
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        Last edited by rogue06; 07-05-2020, 10:08 AM.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #64
          Originally posted by whag View Post
          Ahem...again....

          Hence why you refer to Native Americans as “redskins” in their company?

          No? Alrighty then....
          If the Native Americans have a long tradition of referring to themselves in such a manner, just who are either you or I to tell them that they must stop.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #65
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            If the Native Americans have a long tradition of referring to themselves in such a manner, just who are either you or I to tell them that they must stop.
            A Christian, no less, is saying that this:

            “"The word 'Oklahoma' itself is Choctaw for 'red people.'”

            is tantamount to Native Americans wanting to be referred to as redskins.

            Take note, all. Rogue will henceforth refer to Native Americans as “redskins” in their company because “Choctaw” means “red people.” He’ll also call black people “colored people” because “NAACP” and has no clue that language naturally evolves.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Do you know what the name was of the first pro baseball team in Atlanta was?

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              "Cracker" is generally considered a derogatory term for whites. Yet nobody got upset over the name in the over 60 years that they were here.
              What was the race of the person/entity who owned the team? What was the racial makeup of the team? White? If so, then "cracker" is as racist as "n1gger" when used by a black person to refer to another black person.

              Is the owner of the Redskins a Native American? Is the team made up primarily of Native American football players?
              Last edited by Whateverman; 07-05-2020, 10:24 AM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by whag View Post
                A Christian, no less, is saying that this:

                “"The word 'Oklahoma' itself is Choctaw for 'red people.'”

                is tantamount to Native Americans wanting to be referred to as redskins.

                Take note, all. Rogue will henceforth refer to Native Americans as “redskins” in their company because “Choctaw” means “red people.” He’ll also call black people “colored people” because “NAACP” and has no clue that language naturally evolves.
                Have you been borrowing little jimmy's bong?

                The fact is that 90% of Native Americans don't have any issue with the term "redskin" and that the name has it's origins how they referred to themselves. But whag here must think they are just too dumb to understand they have been insulted so he has taken it upon himself to do their thinking for them.

                How very white of you.

                And nobody today is calling Native Americans "Redskins." But to go apoplectic over the term is absolutely no different than telling the NAACP that they must change their name because nobody uses "colored people" any more.

                So, whag, is the NAACP racist for stilling calling themselves the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People? Is the United Negro College Fund racists for still using "negro" in their name? Are they just a bunch of self-loathing race traitors or some such similar foolishness.

                Or is this all much ado about nothing -- except to white leftists who know better?

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  People of Irish decent aren't freaking out over Notre Dame calling their team the Fighting Irish which plays on the stereotype of Irish being belligerent and ready to brawl over virtually anything.

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                  Not to mention the caricature in their logo which depicts Irishmen as a stereotypical Leprechaun.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                    What was the race of the person/entity who owned the team? What was the racial makeup of the team? White? If so, then "cracker" is as racist as "n1gger" when used by a black person to refer to another black person.

                    Is the owner of the Redskins a Native American? Is the team made up primarily of Native American football players?
                    No pun intended but these are red herrings. The name was meant to honor Native Americans just like names like "Braves" (Atlanta), "Chiefs (Kansas City), "Indians" (Cleveland) and a whole slew of teams named after specific tribes.

                    In the latter case, leftists often are shocked to find that some of the loudest opposition to changing a team's name come from Native Americans themselves who are proud of the association understanding where it came from.
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    In more than a couple of instances the local tribes, after who the teams were named, vigorously objected.
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    To elaborate a bit...

                    Starting in the 1990s Arcadia High School in Arcadia, California, which has the team name the Apaches, was under pressure to drop the Apache name. The school claims that the name and its connections help educate their students about American Indians. Each year, students travel to the White Mountain Apache Indian Reservation to participate in parades and tribal culture. In exchange Apache dancers come to Arcadia and students hold fundraisers for tribal causes. The principle of Arcadia High at the time, Martin Plourde, points out that this provided an "unbelievable connection for our kids to be able to visit the reservation and see that the Apaches are not a people of the ‘Broken Arrow’ era, that they are a current modern day people and they struggle just like a lot of people struggle.”

                    A quick check shows that they have been able to resist efforts from the state of California to change their name.

                    the Ottawa University Braves out in Kansas. They were pressured to drop the name "Braves" as it was deemed racially insensitive. But what those behind the push apparently didn't realize is that the school has deep historic ties with the Ottawa Indians, who in 1865 gave a land grant of 20,000 acres to establish a University on the Prairie. The Ottawa Tribe is adamantly in support of keeping the name "Braves" for the University and has repeatedly expressed this support through the years. They recognize that the nickname is not an insult but is a positive symbol of bravery, heroism and strength.

                    Similarly, a few years ago the Florida State Seminoles were being pressured to change their name until the Seminole Indians expressed overwhelming support of the team name and said they were proud of the association. In fact the support was so overwhelming that the NCAA was forced to issue them an exemption from their prohibition against using "hostile and abusive" Indian mascots and names.

                    In 2002 the National Athletics Association’s Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee ordered the University of North Carolina-Pembroke to explain why it was still using the "racially offensive" logo of an American Indian and the "Braves" nickname for its athletic teams. What they discovered was that the College was founded by the Lumbee Indians (the largest Native American tribe east of the Mississippi) and was for many years the only 4-year university for Native Americans. Lumbee Tribal Chairman Milton R. Hunt who said that he was "surprised by the letter," responded: "the Lumbees don't want the NCAA to meddle with this." He also said that the "Lumbees would consider it an insult if it [the logo and nickname] were changed." The tribe remains closely tied with the university with members as chancellors, board members, staff members, as well as students.

                    One that bowed to the pressure is the University of North Dakota who were forced to drop the name the Fighting Sioux. Why the Fighting Sioux is offensive but the Fighting Irish (Notre Dame's mascot) is not remains a mystery. There are two Sioux reservations in North Dakota -- the Spirit Lake Reservation and the Standing Rock Indian Reservation (which stretches into South Dakota). The Sioux at the former voted by a 2-to-1 majority that the name was not offensive and was completely acceptable. Those at the other reservation have never voted on the matter although it has been noted that it is not uncommon to see folks at both locations wearing UND clothing with the logo prominently displayed.

                    Still the NCAA has successfully coerced UND into the name change because obviously they know better about how Native Americans should feel. UND is now the Fighting Hawks.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      Not to mention the caricature in their logo which depicts Irishmen as a stereotypical Leprechaun.
                      The Irish aren’t so sensitive to racism having never been subjected to genocide or Jim Crow.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Have you been borrowing little jimmy's bong?

                        The fact is that 90% of Native Americans don't have any issue with the term "redskin" and that the name has it's origins how they referred to themselves. But whag here must think they are just too dumb to understand they have been insulted so he has taken it upon himself to do their thinking for them.

                        How very white of you.

                        And nobody today is calling Native Americans "Redskins." But to go apoplectic over the term is absolutely no different than telling the NAACP that they must change their name because nobody uses "colored people" any more.

                        So, whag, is the NAACP racist for stilling calling themselves the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People? Is the United Negro College Fund racists for still using "negro" in their name? Are they just a bunch of self-loathing race traitors or some such similar foolishness.

                        Or is this all much ado about nothing -- except to white leftists who know better?
                        A Christian no less, Rogue thinks asking the NAACP to change its name is tantamount to pressuring professional sports teams owned by white men to simply change the name of their team to something not racist.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by whag View Post
                          A Christian no less, Rogue thinks asking the NAACP to change its name is tantamount to pressuring professional sports teams owned by white men to simply change the name of their team to something not racist that doesn't honor them.
                          FIFY n/c

                          As I demonstrated in post #69, historically these names were selected to honor Native Americans and that traditionally Native Americans have been among the fiercest opponents to changing their names. No wonder 90% of them don't get upset about the name.

                          But white leftist like whag believe that Native Americans just must not be bright enough to respond correctly. That is, how he tells them that they should react. So folks like whag have taken it on themselves to do it for them since it's for their own good.

                          Talk about being racist.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            No pun intended but these are red herrings. The name was meant to honor Native Americans just like names like "Braves" (Atlanta), "Chiefs (Kansas City), "Indians" (Cleveland) and a whole slew of teams named after specific tribes.
                            There is no specific Redskin tribe. The origin of the word is clearly with white settlers, who were not meaning to honor anyone by it. And, respectfully submitted, context is not a red herring. A white person calling a black person a n1gger means something completely different from a black person using that same term. You know this.

                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            In the latter case, leftists often are shocked to find that some of the loudest opposition to changing a team's name come from Native Americans themselves who are proud of the association understanding where it came from.
                            Who cares what "leftists" think. Are "rightists" shocked to learn that the loudest opposition to the same term also came from Native Americans?

                            https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04...ascots-survey/

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ange_advocates

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                              Again I wonder why conservatives here have such high anxiety about this, or even why they see it as a problem.
                              I don't get the sense that there is anxiety over this issue (other than from privileged white liberals who think it's their duty to be offended on behalf of people who are not offended themselves). I think, rather, it's concern about caving in to the unreasonable demands of "cancel culture". People say, "It's just the name of a silly sports team, so who cares?" But the question is, if we give them this inch today, how many miles are they going demand tomorrow? It's naive to think it will end here.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by whag View Post
                                The Irish aren’t so sensitive to racism having never been subjected to genocide or Jim Crow.
                                Anit-Irish sentiment is a thing.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment

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                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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