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Hydroxychloroquine: Not so useless after all
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNot necessarily, no. From the article:
The FDA already came out and said the risks outweighed the benefits. If they're wrong, then this will come out in the data, but so far the data have supported their decision.
The statement about using outside of hospitals ... well that is the goal. avoid having to go to the hospital.
The Zelenko protocol is especially intended to use in the early signs of coronavirus. It might be right for hospitals, in severe cases, not to rely solely on this protocol in late stages.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIt is funny how people accepted this claim by the FDA.
The FDA is the authority on this issue, and so far, they've nixed hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 therapy. Maybe this study will change their minds, but the fact is that the FDA has access to more than one study's worth of data. I'm pretty sure it's going to take more than this one to make a difference.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostIt's not funny in the least.
The FDA is the authority on this issue, and so far, they've nixed hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 therapy. Maybe this study will change their minds, but the fact is that the FDA has access to more than one study's worth of data. I'm pretty sure it's going to take more than this one to make a difference.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostAnd you will give your life for that claim. You are mixing the concepts of authority. They are maybe a government "authority" to represent the government view however they are not a scientific authority
Originally posted by mikewhitney View Postbut are only a consumer of scientific studies.
Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThey can make stupid mistakes on this and cause much harm because of this.
I don't think you actually understand how a drug goes from someone doing research in a lab to sitting in a bottle on a shelf in CVS. There's a massive scientific/statistical/regulatory process for getting this done, and the FDA is the final authority on it all. They're staffed by scientists, and make decisions which regulate what biotech firms and hospitals can do. Nothing you've said credibly calls this simple fact into question.Last edited by Whateverman; 07-04-2020, 03:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostYeah. They are.
You know that scientists routinely consume scientific studies, right?
Everyone can. Everyone can make stupid mistakes and cause much harm: scientists, basketball players, little kids, politicians, etc.
I don't think you actually understand how a drug goes from someone doing research in a lab to sitting in a bottle on a shelf in CVS. There's a massive scientific/statistical process for getting this done, and the FDA is the final authority on it all. They're staffed by scientists, and make decisions which regulate what biotech firms and hospitals can do. Nothing you've said credibly calls this simple fact into question.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Postok. die for what you believe in. everyone has a cause they will die for. you have made the FDA reputation your cause.
I worked as a scientist for 7 years, and then I worked as a software engineer for a company that managed FDA drug and device trials. I actually have some experience with the thing you're trying to sound authoritative on. You simply do not understand what you're talking about.
One study does not a safe/effective drug make.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNot really, no. I'm just doing my best to dispel ignorance where I find it.
I worked as a scientist for 7 years, and then I worked as a software engineer for a company that managed FDA drug and device trials. I actually have some experience with the thing you're trying to sound authoritative on. You simply do not understand what you're talking about.
One study does not a safe/effective drug make.
It is good that you were involved in possibly valid drug and device trials. It would be interesting to hear which trials were done through that company. It is too bad that people of good reputation get blemished because of groups with bad reputations.
We already know there was disinformation by groups who said the medicine was unsafe. That declaration went against 50 -80 years of evidence of its safe use. Of course there are exceptions where a treatment or injection is not safe for a person of a certain condition. But the FDA just testified against itself in rejecting this wholesale. And they need to fess up -- to hold any credibility.Last edited by mikewhitney; 07-04-2020, 03:57 PM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostAnd?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt proves the dangers of trusting our well-being to the decisions of regulatory agencies run by unelected bureaucrats.
You trust the FDA each and every single time you take medicine of any kind: internal, topical, etc. The last time you took a few aspirin for a headache, you trusted the FDA. You and your family and your friends have been trusting the FDA almost since you were born.Last edited by Whateverman; 07-04-2020, 05:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostYour opinion doesn't prove anything. It's your opinion that the FDA is a federal agency with its own "agenda", and that doesn't prove there's anything dangerous about trusting it.
You trust the FDA each and every single time you take medicine of any kind: internal, topical, etc. The last time you took a few aspirin for a headache, you trusted the FDA. You and your family and your friends have been trusting the FDA almost since you were born.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's the manufacturers and doctors I'm putting my trust in, not the FDA.
The FDA does. So do pharmaceutical companies, who rely upon the FDA to ensure their compounds wont get them sued out of business.
You trust the FDA implicitly.
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