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    Hydroxychloroquine: Not so useless after all

    A Henry Ford Health System study shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients, the Detroit-based health system said Thursday.

    Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

    The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died.

    [...]

    “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group. “And the data here is clear that there was a benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...te/5365090002/

    This goes along with other early studies which showed a positive response to the drug, and yet liberals chose to politicize it and downplay its effectiveness simply because President Trump encouraged the drug's use. Peter Navarro, assistant to the president and director of the office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy laments the politicization of a potentially life-saving drug and wonders how many people unnecessarily died as a result:

    "Now what, what, practically, that means is that if we had been using hydroxychloroquine at the very beginning, we could have saved 10s of thousands of lives already. And moving forward If hydroxychloroquine is used under the advice of the physician in early treatment, this study suggests that we could save hundreds of thousands of American lives over time and perhaps millions worldwide.

    "And the same day that that came out, a similar study came out from Mount Sinai Hospital system, which had a similar conclusion that hydroxychloroquine basically lowers the mortality rate.

    "This is an undue and unnecessary fear of medicine [used for] more than six decades relatively safely. This is a drug that is regularly prescribed for lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, pregnant women take it. It's, it's a drug that that has gotten this hysterical bad rap, on the basis of the media selectively promoting studies which on their face are flawed studies."

    Navarro when asked about the FDA saying hydroxychloroquine has no benefit and creates heart problems.

    "So, the FDA is an independent agency when it makes those kinds of decisions. But let me, let me talk about what the implications first of what those two FDA decisions....Those two FDA decisions were crushing.

    "I'm the defense policy coordinator I personally oversaw the transport of 10s of billions by drugs, or in capsules to 14 different hot zones, at the height of the pandemic when we were trying to flatten the curve. And it was what it was essentially a one, two punch by the FDA -- first to do a black box on a warning and then to shut it completely down, there's been two effects.

    "One is it's completely shut down the demand for hydroxychloroquine at the front lines, not just for patients but also among the hospital care workers, because of this hydroxy hysteria. And the other, which is equally criminal, is that it became very difficult for doctors like William O'Neal at the hospital at the Detroit Hospital Center and William Grace at the New York hospital system to get subjects to actually be able to conduct the gold standard randomized blind clinical trials..."

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    Trump should have poopoo'd it --- then it would have been prescribed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    A Henry Ford Health System study shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients, the Detroit-based health system said Thursday.

    Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.
    So we could have been saving lives this whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Trump should have poopoo'd it --- then it would have been prescribed!
    That isn't a joke. That literally would have happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    A Henry Ford Health System study shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients, the Detroit-based health system said Thursday.

    Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

    The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died.

    [...]

    “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group. “And the data here is clear that there was a benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...te/5365090002/

    This goes along with other early studies which showed a positive response to the drug, and yet liberals chose to politicize it and downplay its effectiveness simply because President Trump encouraged the drug's use. Peter Navarro, assistant to the president and director of the office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy laments the politicization of a potentially life-saving drug and wonders how many people unnecessarily died as a result:

    "Now what, what, practically, that means is that if we had been using hydroxychloroquine at the very beginning, we could have saved 10s of thousands of lives already. And moving forward If hydroxychloroquine is used under the advice of the physician in early treatment, this study suggests that we could save hundreds of thousands of American lives over time and perhaps millions worldwide.

    "And the same day that that came out, a similar study came out from Mount Sinai Hospital system, which had a similar conclusion that hydroxychloroquine basically lowers the mortality rate.

    "This is an undue and unnecessary fear of medicine [used for] more than six decades relatively safely. This is a drug that is regularly prescribed for lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, pregnant women take it. It's, it's a drug that that has gotten this hysterical bad rap, on the basis of the media selectively promoting studies which on their face are flawed studies."

    Navarro when asked about the FDA saying hydroxychloroquine has no benefit and creates heart problems.

    "So, the FDA is an independent agency when it makes those kinds of decisions. But let me, let me talk about what the implications first of what those two FDA decisions....Those two FDA decisions were crushing.

    "I'm the defense policy coordinator I personally oversaw the transport of 10s of billions by drugs, or in capsules to 14 different hot zones, at the height of the pandemic when we were trying to flatten the curve. And it was what it was essentially a one, two punch by the FDA -- first to do a black box on a warning and then to shut it completely down, there's been two effects.

    "One is it's completely shut down the demand for hydroxychloroquine at the front lines, not just for patients but also among the hospital care workers, because of this hydroxy hysteria. And the other, which is equally criminal, is that it became very difficult for doctors like William O'Neal at the hospital at the Detroit Hospital Center and William Grace at the New York hospital system to get subjects to actually be able to conduct the gold standard randomized blind clinical trials..."

    https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject...gle-1844262050
    All the sudden “anti-mask Karen” is excited about saving lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    That isn't a joke. That literally would have happened.
    Pretty much, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Pretty much, yeah.
    Yet anti-mask Trumpers protest wearing a simple device that greatly reduces the spread:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/face...navirus-2020-6

    I’d rather prevent the spread of it and not contract it instead of going to the hospital. The GOP doesn’t care about your six-figure hospital bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    Yet anti-mask Trumpers protest wearing a simple device that greatly reduces the spread:...
    That's not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    Yet anti-mask Trumpers protest wearing a simple device that greatly reduces the spread:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/face...navirus-2020-6

    I’d rather prevent the spread of it and not contract it instead of going to the hospital. The GOP doesn’t care about your six-figure hospital bill.
    Kinda ironic coming from the side who declared that social justice trumps social distancing so if you wanna go out and get cheek to jowl with everyone and their brother it is perfectly okay just as long as it's a reason that gets the Leftist Seal of Approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Kinda ironic coming from the side who declared that social justice trumps social distancing so if you wanna go out and get cheek to jowl with everyone and their brother it is perfectly okay just as long as it's a reason that gets the Leftist Seal of Approval.
    Aw, come on, now --- that's not fair!
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