Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria
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As far as I am concerned you are free to "speak " as directly and plainly as this site’s etiquette rules permit.
Oh yes they were as were thousands of other Jews both before and after the execution of Jesus of Nazareth. Or do you imagine he was the only Jew to be crucified by the Romans?
No he didn’t. You [as so many do] are simply referring to periphrastic language in John’s gospel. That work cannot be regarded as a factual account of an actual human being. The personage of Jesus with which we are presented in that work cannot be compared to the holy man of God we find in Mark.
According to the three Synoptic accounts the words put into the mouth of Jesus allude to a personage described in Daniel 7.13. In the first century the Book of Daniel was held in high esteem by both Jews and early Christians.
However, that work continues “And he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him”. This personage is not a divinity but is being acknowledged by the god of Israel as the future Messianic king and the text then continues to describe the Kingdom over which this King will rule.
However, that work continues “And he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him”. This personage is not a divinity but is being acknowledged by the god of Israel as the future Messianic king and the text then continues to describe the Kingdom over which this King will rule.
Dan 7:13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
This person was given authority, glory and sovereign power, and received worship. God said he would never give his glory to another, nor is anyone other than God, not even angels to be worshiped. In addition, God gave him his kingdom eternally and said his dominion was everlasting. As in forever and ever.
This passage is talking about someone divine, and if you think it through logically, since there is only one God and no other, the person also has to be God.
Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Isaiah 42:8 “I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.
You are presenting me here with a collection of Christian narrative fictions and dogmatically pronouncing that these four accounts [with their respective variant narrative details] are attested historical facts.
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