COVID deaths still declining

[mikewhitney]

Then you would understand the problems with your selective citations to justify your agenda.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html

The Mask Slackers of 1918

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You rely on the people who made up the 1619 project? You keep on using articles that make people question your sensibility. But we can run with what you have. So you rely on an article about masks which also does not rely on scientific evidence that we protect others from infection when we, with no symptoms or virus, wear a mask. However, you may improve your reputation by examining the science that you keep avoiding.

You are doing a fine job of revealing the silliness of the arguments from the leftists.

[shunyadragon]

You rely on the people who made up the 1619 project? You keep on using articles that make people question your sensibility. But we can run with what you have. So you rely on an article about masks which also does not rely on scientific evidence that we protect others from infection when we, with no symptoms or virus, wear a mask. However, you may improve your reputation by examining the science that you keep avoiding.

You are doing a fine job of revealing the silliness of the arguments from the leftists.

Your ignoring the evidence and the research is what is tragic. COVID-19 does not belong to a political party.

[rogue06]

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-disaster-declared-melbourne-cases-surge-globally-n1235612

Coronavirus disaster declared in Melbourne as cases surge globally

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We knew from the start that it was going to continue to spread. The purpose of the whole "flattening the curve" concept was to try to keep it from happening all at once and completely overwhelming the hospitals.

Yet somewhere along the way someone somewhere decided that the success we had in flattening the curve was also supposed to bring an end to the Chicom coronavirus which of course is utter nonsense. Flattening the curve was going to mean a prolonged pandemic because it kept it from happening all at once.

[mikewhitney]

Your ignoring the evidence and the research is what is tragic. COVID-19 does not belong to a political party.

You still have to show what evidence and research informs you. You have not shown any interest in the details of the studies yet.

It sure seems that the Democrats, more than the Republicans, are trying to hide the simple cure. The Democrats have found a friend in COVID.

Are you ready to discuss the research that has been done? What is the basis for giving patients or doctors an overdose in one day?

[shunyadragon]

You still have to show what evidence and research informs you. You have not shown any interest in the details of the studies yet.

It sure seems that the Democrats, more than the Republicans, are trying to hide the simple cure. The Democrats have found a friend in COVID.

Are you ready to discuss the research that has been done? What is the basis for giving patients or doctors an overdose in one day?

I cited a anrticle that described and ummerized all the present research, and at present you ignored.

[oxmixmudd]

We knew from the start that it was going to continue to spread. The purpose of the whole "flattening the curve" concept was to try to keep it from happening all at once and completely overwhelming the hospitals.

Yet somewhere along the way someone somewhere decided that the success we had in flattening the curve was also supposed to bring an end to the Chicom coronavirus which of course is utter nonsense. Flattening the curve was going to mean a prolonged pandemic because it kept it from happening all at once.

Try again. Or do you delight in being incorrect?

There is a real problem here rogue. I know for a fact you are more than intelligent enough to understand tye difference between what you've written here and reality, just as Sarfati is wrt the supernova quote we both have referenced so often.

The question then is why. But you most certainly do owe Sarfati an apology. For you have here engaged in the same sort of distortion of the facts he is so famous for.

[mikewhitney]

I cited a anrticle that described and ummerized all the present research, and at present you ignored.

I think I reviewed everything you posted for useful content and properly responded to such information. I don't remember you posting specific research. If I remember correctly, my response was to supply the list of research that has been done -- as shown on c19study.com. You had no response to that nor have you provided research to show a legit concern about HCQ.

Looking forward to the time that you present an argument...

Oh. If you were talking about the medpage article. I looked at one of the 3 studies. It showed they were giving patients a killer dose and thereby showing HCQ as having bad effects -- no duh. I did not see how you justified giving patients deadly amounts of the drug. I'm sure you are going to explain that shortly.

[shunyadragon]

I think I reviewed everything you posted for useful content and properly responded to such information. I don't remember you posting specific research. If I remember correctly, my response was to supply the list of research that has been done -- as shown on c19study.com. You had no response to that nor have you provided research to show a legit concern about HCQ.

Looking forward to the time that you present an argument...

Oh. If you were talking about the medpage article. I looked at one of the 3 studies. It showed they were giving patients a killer dose and thereby showing HCQ as having bad effects -- no duh. I did not see how you justified giving patients deadly amounts of the drug. I'm sure you are going to explain that shortly.

Nothing coherent here. Your understanding of the article is dismal. The article was comprehensive and accurate. There were no killrt doses involved, No need to explain.

[Roy]

It is funny. the UK study (funded in part by Gates Foundation) did an overdose of HCQ too. They did 1600mg on the first day with no Zinc introduced into the treatment. One thing notable about a Zinc deficiency is that people can lose their sense of taste and smell. So anyone with that symptom first needs Zinc.

According to the NIH factsheet anosmia is associated with an excess of zinc, not a deficiency. Mikewhitney is basically saying that people with symptoms of zinc poisoning should take more zinc.

Morons like him are getting people killed.

[Whateverman]

You still have to show what evidence and research informs you.

Sure!

[mikewhitney]

Nothing coherent here. Your understanding of the article is dismal. The article was comprehensive and accurate. There were no killrt doses involved, No need to explain.

Thanks again for providing no research. Your record is unbroken.

[Stoic]

According to the NIH factsheet anosmia is associated with an excess of zinc, not a deficiency. Mikewhitney is basically saying that people with symptoms of zinc poisoning should take more zinc.

Morons like him are getting people killed.

Actually, anosmia can be due to zinc-containing nasal sprays, or to zinc deficiency, among other causes.

But that doesn't mean that anosmia associated with covid-19 has anything to do with zinc.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-cov...ses-loss-smell

[mikewhitney]

Sure!

The part that you quoted has no research studies within it, so I'm not sure how you relied on that.

The date of the letter, Jun 15, 2020, suggests the FDA may have relied on studies which were retracted. The retraction of a study is a rare thing for journals. Especially notable is that the studies are being made available before publishing too. So, the timely publishing is not an essential element for sharing the study. Overall then, even the journals are too hasty in publishing material so as to get the best info to people.

Thus the letter is too old to rely on. Plus, there are problems with the studies that I have listed earlier. If the studies do not test the dosages that have been found useful in the field, the studies can fail simply for giving the wrong dosages or protocols. I may get a chance to check the FDA's opinion on this to see what they relied upon. Your post certainly does not show that you relied upon any specific research.

[mikewhitney]

Actually, anosmia can be due to zinc-containing nasal sprays, or to zinc deficiency, among other causes.

But that doesn't mean that anosmia associated with covid-19 has anything to do with zinc.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-cov...ses-loss-smell

That's helpful. It's good to see that the doctor had made an accurate point. Certainly, the doctor has to evaluate things to make a decision on individual situations. Yet, it should be noted, as I heard, is that the typical person in America has a Zinc deficiency so that Zinc would still be the general recommendation to make the HCQ an effective treatment for many patients being treated with it.

[oxmixmudd]

Actually, anosmia can be due to zinc-containing nasal sprays, or to zinc deficiency, among other causes.

But that doesn't mean that anosmia associated with covid-19 has anything to do with zinc.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-cov...ses-loss-smell

As an aside, I can tell you as a singer that zinc has proven very effective for me against colds (though not the flu), and i can also tell you that taken as a nasal gel it can affect the sense of smell. Interestingly, the single most effective form of that type of cold remedy is not mentioned in the nih fact sheet studies, and that is a throat spray targeting the back of the throat. That works, in my experience, better than a lozenge, as well as a nasal gel, with no or perhaps far less potential to effect the sense of smell.