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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYeah, like I said, they conflate "asymptomatic" with "pre-symptomatic". Case in point: the one paragraph refers to "asymptomatic infections" and then pulls an about face and asks, "Do they develop symptoms later?" meaning they're not actually asymptomatic but pre-symptomatic!Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-15-2020, 05:25 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostAnd other "some" are those of us who have recovered from it and are more than likely no longer carriers.
So, because "some" are, then ALL must act like they are.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's "conspiracy nuttery" when a news station finfs copious evidence that positive China flu cases throughout Florida were being vastly over-reported?
"Specifically, they said that some smaller, private labs were not reporting negative test result data to the state."
And death rates are going up, and have been for a week. That's another blatant lie or blithering idiocy.
So is this:
Tell me another one, like how asymptomatic (as opposed to pre-symptomatic) people can spread the Wuhan virus when we know this is, in fact, a rare occurrence.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIt's not just "conspiracy nuttery" but blatant lying or blithering idiocy when the news station actually found that negative cases were being under-reported:
"Specifically, they said that some smaller, private labs were not reporting negative test result data to the state."
And death rates are going up, and have been for a week. That's another blatant lie or blithering idiocy.
So is this:
Pre-symptomatic people are asymptomatic.
looking into the breakdown of test labs, I quickly noticed astronomical positivity rates. Now, mind you, Florida's COVID-19 rate is just under 11%. But dozens of labs report as having 100% positivity. Some only reported positive cases. The negative column, completely blank. So I asked myself, how can 100% of people testing at both sites test positive?
I reached out to several major hospitals in our area, Orlando Health and the Orlando VA, confirming errors in their numbers on the report. So after several requests for comment, today the Florida Department of Health released the statement reading in part:
"In recent days, the department noticed that some smaller, private labs weren't reporting negative test result data. The department immediately began working with those labs to ensure that all resorts to results were being reported in order to provide comprehensive and transparent data." These labs are required by the state to report all test results.
The pertinent parts are bolded.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostRobert Guaderrama, the reporter who broke the case noted that some labs have not reported any negative Chicom coronavirus results and only reported the positive results. I think that counts as "negative cases were being under-reported." As he later stated during an interview with Laura Ingraham:
looking into the breakdown of test labs, I quickly noticed astronomical positivity rates. Now, mind you, Florida's COVID-19 rate is just under 11%. But dozens of labs report as having 100% positivity. Some only reported positive cases. The negative column, completely blank. So I asked myself, how can 100% of people testing at both sites test positive?
I reached out to several major hospitals in our area, Orlando Health and the Orlando VA, confirming errors in their numbers on the report. So after several requests for comment, today the Florida Department of Health released the statement reading in part:
"In recent days, the department noticed that some smaller, private labs weren't reporting negative test result data. The department immediately began working with those labs to ensure that all resorts to results were being reported in order to provide comprehensive and transparent data." These labs are required by the state to report all test results.
The pertinent parts are bolded.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThanks for that rogue. It confirms that the number of positive cases reported is likely to be accurate, but the ratio of positive-to-negative is useless.
blatant lying or blithering idiocy when the news station actually found that negative cases were being under-reported
is not accurate in the least.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt does serve to demonstrate that, as you said there was
blatant lying or blithering idiocy when the news station actually found that negative cases were being under-reported
is not accurate in the least.Last edited by Roy; 07-16-2020, 07:39 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt does serve to demonstrate that, as you said there was
blatant lying or blithering idiocy when the news station actually found that negative cases were being under-reported
is not accurate in the least.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostJust today's graph on U.S. cases. Source: Worldometer
Closed cases in the graph
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Green are total cases. Orange are deaths.
This one, however, does: (same source - worldometers)
Daily Deaths US 07162020.jpg
There does seem to have been a hiccup from the boneheaded switch in reporting destinations, in that the peak has typically been Tuesday for a given week, but this week Wednesday was higher than Tuesday. But BOTH where higher than the week previous, which was higher than the week previous to that.
The highest (1001) number of deaths since June 9 in fact.
The bottom line is that deaths are rising, just delayed relative to the rise in cases, as expected.
I am concerned about the shift to a non-public database for housing the data. The administration is not above massaging the data for their own purposes. They should have left the system alone and let the CDC continue to be the primary reporting destination where doctors and scientists make the data public for other researchers and are not subject to the political goals of the current administration.
*The rate in Ronson's graph is deaths/recovered+deaths which is worst case given changes in testing rate and known undiagnosed mild or asymptomatic cases.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-16-2020, 09:05 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat graph doesn't tell the story. In fact, it is not what you say it is. It is the recovery RATE and the death RATE (currently 7.85%*), not the raw count, or even the daily count, nor does it show the daily trend.
This one, however, does: (same source - worldometers)
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There does seem to have been a hiccup from the boneheaded switch in reporting destinations, in that the peak has typically been Tuesday for a given week, but this week Wednesday was higher than Tuesday. But BOTH where higher than the week previous, which was higher than the week previous to that.
The highest (1001) number of deaths since June 9 in fact.
The bottom line is that deaths are rising, just delayed relative to the rise in cases, as expected.
I am concerned about the shift to a non-public database for housing the data. The administration is not above massaging the data for their own purposes. They should have left the system alone and let the CDC continue to be the primary reporting destination where doctors and scientists make the data public for other researchers and are not subject to the political goals of the current administration.
*The rate in Ronson's graph is deaths/recovered+deaths which is worst case given changes in testing rate and known undiagnosed mild or asymptomatic cases.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe news has become so convoluted and untrustworthy concerning this Novel Cuomovirus. We see this with the Texas "news" story about morgue trucks being dispatched to some counties in Texas. And anything that is marked as a Cuomovirus death then gets extra money to the hospital. So there is financial incentive to improperly code these hospitalizations and deaths. Many people should recognize the problems of making financial incentives like this.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostCompletely irrelevant to my post, which was to point out that the chart Ronson posted was mislabeled, and as mislabeled - misleading (I'm assuming it was a mistake). If one doesn't understand that the orange trace is mortality RATE, then it looks like deaths from covid are still decreasing. But that is not the case. That specific chart might rise again due to the sharp rise in new cases, but it can't be used as a proxy for the daily death count in the US.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostEeyore just never could be happy. Maybe you can find something else to make you happy when the coronaphobia season is over.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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