COVID deaths still declining

[Stoic]

Death toll long time not declining, and now over 1,800.

The seven day average of deaths seems to have peaked now, as one would expect given that the seven day average of cases peaked a few weeks ago.

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[mikewhitney]

You can claim that Trump is very clever and diabolical, but the evidence is against it.

I'm just noting that your theory would have to rely on Trump being clever and diabolical. So you have just rejected your own point about Trump politicizing this. Good for you to correct yourself.

[Whateverman]

I'm just noting that your theory would have to rely on Trump being clever and diabolical.

Your mischaracterization of his position doesn't represent his "theory".

[Stoic]

Have the current severe reduction of deaths finally convinced you that we are not having the problem of confirmed cases leading to 1% rates of deaths?

The current 1000 deaths per day divided by 66000 cases per day from a few weeks ago shows that confirmed cases are currently leading to about a 1.5% rate of deaths.

So, the answer is no.

[Stoic]

I'm just noting that your theory would have to rely on Trump being clever and diabolical. So you have just rejected your own point about Trump politicizing this. Good for you to correct yourself.

You are drawing conclusions about what I think that seem to depend on me believing that HCQ is a "cure", which is patently false.

You might want to try to stay inside your own head for now.

[shunyadragon]

Without vaccines, effective treatments, consistent use of masks and social distancing the COVID-19 is following its natural path in most countries especially the USA with the highest fatalities and case numbers in the world, second is Brazil.

Yes the Pandemic is most likely beginning its brutal grinding decline. This virus does not appear to be temperature sensative virus, and unlikely cyclic. What keeps the coronavirus going is that it slowly moves into less dense population areas. This is a similar problem of previous pandemics. There is an indication that the coronavirus does not mutat as much as flus, but maybe long enough to hang around. There are several options here. 1) It fades away like it cousin coronavirus 2002 SARS. If this is the case the vaccines will not do anything.2) It has found a home and hangs out with humans popping up here and there like the Bubonic Plage, maybe not as virilant and mabe finds one or more animal hosts. If this is the case then vaccines will be important.

[mikewhitney]

The current 1000 deaths per day divided by 66000 cases per day from a few weeks ago shows that confirmed cases are currently leading to about a 1.5% rate of deaths.

So, the answer is no.

Ok. compromise. The scared people stay home. The normal people go back and restore the economy. Both groups will benefit greatly. And the streets will be a lot safer.

[Whateverman]

I have not wished Dems to die but only suggested that by politicizing the use of HCQ, Dems [...]

Drumpf politicized it, and he's a Republican.

He rightfully told about the medicine.

He politicized it. He called it a Democrat hoax. He blamed states' response to it on Democrats. He accused Democrats of trying to use it to take him down.

Drumpf politicized this pandemic. You lied when you said that Democrats did.

[Reepicheep]

On Tuesday August 11th, 4 Canadians and 1,504 Americans died from coronavirus. After taking into account that the US population is 8.8x the population of Canada, we can calculate that the per capita death rate in the US is 43x the death rate in Canada.

An interesting calculation, isn't it.

[mikewhitney]

He politicized it. He called it a Democrat hoax. He blamed states' response to it on Democrats. He accused Democrats of trying to use it to take him down.

Drumpf politicized this pandemic. You lied when you said that Democrats did.

Umm. Do you even pay attention to the states that are run by Democrats who forced coronavirus positive people into nursing homes and leading to 1000s of deaths? Have you heard about Seattle and Portland which let communist revolutionaries from Antifa and BLM to continue to terrorize the cities? Have you heard how harshly Democrat governors have suppressed freedom of religion and freedom to earn a living?

[mikewhitney]

On Tuesday August 11th, 4 Canadians and 1,504 Americans died from coronavirus. After taking into account that the US population is 8.8x the population of Canada, we can calculate that the per capita death rate in the US is 43x the death rate in Canada.

An interesting calculation, isn't it.

The US just counts better. The US has more car accident deaths of people who were later tested to be positive for coronavirus. And many Democrat governors outlawed use of effective treatment of people with covid-19. So maybe you have a good point here.

[rogue06]

Umm. Do you even pay attention to the states that are run by Democrats who forced coronavirus positive people into nursing homes and leading to 1000s of deaths? Have you heard about Seattle and Portland which let communist revolutionaries from Antifa and BLM to continue to terrorize the cities? Have you heard how harshly Democrat governors have suppressed freedom of religion and freedom to earn a living?

The number of those who died of the Chicom coronavirus in New York nursing homes appears to be much higher than previously thought:

It looks like the number of those needlessly killed in New York nursing homes by the Chicom coronavirus thanks to Andrew Cuomo's policies may be a lot higher than we previously thought.

From the Associated Press (AP):

Source: New York’s true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy

Riverdale Nursing Home in the Bronx appears, on paper, to have escaped the worst of the coronavirus pandemic, with an official state count of just four deaths in its 146-bed facility.

The truth, according to the home, is far worse: 21 dead, most transported to hospitals before they succumbed.

“It was a cascading effect,” administrator Emil Fuzayov recalled. “One after the other.”

New York’s coronavirus death toll in nursing homes, already among the highest in the nation, could actually be a significant undercount. Unlike every other state with major outbreaks, New York only counts residents who died on nursing home property and not those who were transported to hospitals and died there.

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire.

“That’s a problem, bro,” state Sen. Gustavo Rivera, a Democrat, told New York Health Commissioner Howard Zucker during a legislative hearing on nursing homes earlier this month. “It seems, sir, that in this case you are choosing to define it differently so that you can look better.”

How big a difference could it make? Since May, federal regulators have required nursing homes to submit data on coronavirus deaths each week, whether or not residents died in the facility or at a hospital. Because the requirement came after the height of New York’s outbreak, the available data is relatively small. According to the federal data, roughly a fifth of the state’s homes reported resident deaths from early June to mid July — a tally of 323 dead, 65 percent higher than the state’s count of 195 during that time period.

Even if half that undercount had held true from the start of the pandemic, that would translate into thousands more nursing home resident deaths than the state has acknowledged.

Another group of numbers also suggests an undercount. State health department surveys show 21,000 nursing home beds are lying empty this year, 13,000 more than expected — an increase of almost double the official state nursing home death tally. While some of that increase can be attributed to fewer new admissions and people pulling their loved ones out, it suggests that many others who aren’t there anymore died.




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The article continues on for awhile examining some of the defenses offered by Cuomo and demolishing them piecemeal.



I should also note that the WSJ article cited in the OP apparently missed one thing that Cuomo did that exacerbated the situation but that NBC Evening News mentioned in their broadcast from May 10th -- namely that he had also refused to give those facilities personal protective equipment (PPE) after forcing them to take in Chicom coronavirus-positive patients.

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[Stoic]

Ok. compromise. The scared people stay home. The normal people go back and restore the economy. Both groups will benefit greatly. And the streets will be a lot safer.

Problem is, if all the stupid people go out and get sick, that makes it worse for all of us.

[mikewhitney]

Problem is, if all the stupid people go out and get sick, that makes it worse for all of us.

Ok. the stupid people should just stay home then.

This is fun.

[shunyadragon]

Ok. the stupid people should just stay home then.

This is fun.

A rather macabre conservative eugenic view of the pandemic. To stay home the conservatives need a leash.