COVID deaths still declining

[oxmixmudd]

On Aug 1st, the 7-day average was over 1000, but less than 2000.

There is no way it would have quadrupled based on numbers of new cases, the measured mortality has decreased due to several factors, change in demographic and better treatment being two significant ones. But I do believe we will see 160,000 deaths by the end of the first week in August, as i predicted a week or two ago (just based on current trends) and I expect by or before the 3rd week in August to see somewhere around 1500 deatjs/day 7 day average and that as long as we see #cases per day continue their decline, that will be a peak value for this round.

[shunyadragon]

You keep repeating yourself. However, this time seems to be due to the current website issues.

I'm sorry. Bad news. There is a site that lists the covid-19 studies done. Don't go there. You won't like it.
https://c19study.com/

I thought it would be appropriate here to repost this, because of some posting incomplete and misleading research, and name droping without the details to support their agenda.

Risch is a competent scientis, and yes there have been some positive results of using HCQ in combination with azithromycin.The article goes over the different research, and the limited positive results. It empasises that most of the previous reasearch is without control and good randomized studies. Severual research published with a good research design showed decidedly negative results,

Name droping without the details is not an adegaute response,

Source: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87844

In the Newsweek editorial and in the later journal submission, both of which were published following three highly publicized randomized trials that reported no benefit from HCQ, Risch did not address or even acknowledge them.

In a statement posted on Yale's website, Sten Vermund, MD, PhD, dean of the Yale School of Public Health, distanced himself from Risch's papers.

"My role as Dean is not to suppress the work of the faculty, but rather, to support the academic freedom of our faculty, whether it is in the mainstream of thinking or is contrarian," Vermund wrote.

"Yale-affiliated physicians used HCQ early in the response to COVID-19, but it is only used rarely at present due to evidence that it is ineffective and potentially risky."

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[mikewhitney]

I thought it would be appropriate here to repost this, because of some posting incomplete and misleading research, and name droping without the details to support their agenda.

Risch is a competent scientis, and yes there have been some positive results of using HCQ in combination with azithromycin.The article goes over the different research, and the limited positive results. It empasises that most of the previous reasearch is without control and good randomized studies. Severual research published with a good research design showed decidedly negative results,

Name droping without the details is not an adegaute response,

Source: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87844

In the Newsweek editorial and in the later journal submission, both of which were published following three highly publicized randomized trials that reported no benefit from HCQ, Risch did not address or even acknowledge them.


"My role as Dean is not to suppress the work of the faculty, but rather, to support the academic freedom of our faculty

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Funny response there. The research studies were listed at c19study.com. You have not responded to those.

The medpagetoday article is nothing significant. The dean sounds unbiased and supportive of staff -- but at the same time his view means nothing special in advancing our knowledge.

The medpage article refers to a study showing a failure of HCQ. However, the study showed destructive doses of HCQ given to patients: 800mg followed by 600mg in 6 to 8 hours , then 600mg daily for 4 more days
(https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207). This is the Annals of Internal Medicine study under the link "three randomized studies" within the medpage article (https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/87601). The safely recommended dose is 200mg twice a week supplemented with daily Zinc.

The HCQ has a 40day half life. So we can see how quickly the study overdoses patients. Plus, the patients are likely susceptible to sickness due to lack of Zinc and Vitamin D. If the studies don't include Zinc and the Azithromycin (plus the normal doses of HCQ), the studies are junk science. We have covered this before. The study's doctors should be charged with malpractice rather than being published.

[mikewhitney]

We also know that that dosage was too severe. The study makes this apparent by noting:

Source: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

Medication adverse effects occurred in 43% (92 of 212) of participants receiving hydroxychloroquine versus 22% (46 of 211) receiving placebo (P < 0.001).

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How crazy can the doctors be who prescribed that high of a dose. The doctors are not supposed to be blind to safety recommendations when doing effectivity studies.

[shunyadragon]

Funny response there. The research studies were listed at c19study.com. You have not responded to those.

The medpagetoday article is nothing significant. The dean sounds unbiased and supportive of staff -- but at the same time his view means nothing special in advancing our knowledge.

The medpage article refers to a study showing a failure of HCQ. However, the study showed destructive doses of HCQ given to patients: 800mg followed by 600mg in 6 to 8 hours , then 600mg daily for 4 more days
(https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207). This is the Annals of Internal Medicine study under the link "three randomized studies" within the medpage article (https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/87601). The safely recommended dose is 200mg twice a week supplemented with daily Zinc.

The HCQ has a 40day half life. So we can see how quickly the study overdoses patients. Plus, the patients are likely susceptible to sickness due to lack of Zinc and Vitamin D. If the studies don't include Zinc and the Azithromycin (plus the normal doses of HCQ), the studies are junk science. We have covered this before. The study's doctors should be charged with malpractice rather than being published.

Air ball, failure to respond.

[mikewhitney]

Air ball, failure to respond.

failure to respond in what way?

[Stoic]

ALL the research are based on those that are already infected.

That's not quite true. There are studies proposed or in progress regarding pre-exposure prophylaxis.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...event-covid-19

[shunyadragon]

failure to respond in what way?

The research cited. We already burned your reference as inconclusive, poorly designed research and lack of a double blind study. The research I cited was well designed research and found no significant benifit.

None of the research including your's demonstrated that CQN is a 'cure.' It wa sonly found have limited positive benifits, especially when combined with other drugs and treatments.

[mikewhitney]

The research cited. We already burned your reference as inconclusive, poorly designed research and lack of a double blind study. The research I cited was well designed research and found no significant benifit.

None of the research including your;s demonstrated that CQN is a 'cure.' It wa sonly found have limited positive benifits, especially when combined with other drugs and treatments.

It is funny. the UK study (funded in part by Gates Foundation) did an overdose of HCQ too. They did 1600mg on the first day with no Zinc introduced into the treatment. One thing notable about a Zinc deficiency is that people can lose their sense of taste and smell. So anyone with that symptom first needs Zinc.

By the way, to clarify or contradict what you said ... I have not run any medical studies to research HCQ.

While a double blind study is best for a new drug, the effectiveness of HCQ has already been proven for SARS. Those studies should intersect with the results doctors have already found. So it is suspicious when their is no correlation of the studies with the successful usage out in the field. The studies don't have to be double blind, especially if they double blind studies just give overdoses of an otherwise useful medicine. At the doses given in the studies, we cannot make a reasoned determination that HCQ now has become a risky drug.

[shunyadragon]

It is funny. the UK study (funded in part by Gates Foundation) did an overdose of HCQ too. They did 1600mg on the first day with no Zinc introduced into the treatment. One thing notable about a Zinc deficiency is that people can lose their sense of taste and smell. So anyone with that symptom first needs Zinc.

By the way, to clarify or contradict what you said ... I have not run any medical studies to research HCQ.

Have you looked at all the research? Did you understand the reviews of the research?

[mikewhitney]

Have you looked at all the research? Did you understand the reviews of the research?

Yes. I have looked at the research. That is how I know the protocols.

[shunyadragon]

It is funny. the UK study (funded in part by Gates Foundation) did an overdose of HCQ too. They did 1600mg on the first day with no Zinc introduced into the treatment. One thing notable about a Zinc deficiency is that people can lose their sense of taste and smell. So anyone with that symptom first needs Zinc.

By the way, to clarify or contradict what you said ... I have not run any medical studies to research HCQ.

While a double blind study is best for a new drug, the effectiveness of HCQ has already been proven for SARS. Those studies should intersect with the results doctors have already found. So it is suspicious when their is no correlation of the studies with the successful usage out in the field. The studies don't have to be double blind, especially if they double blind studies just give overdoses of an otherwise useful medicine. At the doses given in the studies, we cannot make a reasoned determination that HCQ now has become a risky drug.

It's not funny. In fact your view is unethical, dishonest and tragic.

[mikewhitney]

It's not funny. In fact your view is unethical, dishonest and tragic.

I know. Truth is now treated as dishonesty and unethical contribution to the sciences. I think this is your religious viewpoint overtaking any scientific thinking you had.

I have not seen where you highlight the points of the studies that helped give you confidence in what you think.

[shunyadragon]

Yes. I have looked at the research. That is how I know the protocols.

Then you would understand the problems with your selective citations to justify your agenda.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html

The Mask Slackers of 1918

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[shunyadragon]

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-disaster-declared-melbourne-cases-surge-globally-n1235612

Coronavirus disaster declared in Melbourne as cases surge globally

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