It's interesting -- the links I've used in the past to expose their agenda are quite "softened", but include "donate money" blockers.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Marxist governments have also taken care of the needy and the sick. Universal healthcare and housing - the latter might not have been quite up to modern US requirements - but people had a roof over their heads, their needs were met, and their children were educated.
So again, what Marxist countries have succeeded in achieving these goals and in which all (or even most) of the people are content and have a good standard of living and freedom?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
It's interesting -- the links I've used in the past to expose their agenda are quite "softened", but include "donate money" blockers.
https://signalscv.com/2020/06/gary-c...-lives-matter/
https://www.acton.org/publications/t...matter-believe
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/02...nd-capitalism/
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29...orate-america/
This last one in particular has a good quote:
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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regret NOT doing so
Originally posted by mossrose View PostI've found a couple of places that have quoted the actual site, perhaps before the deletion of certain points.
https://signalscv.com/2020/06/gary-c...-lives-matter/
https://www.acton.org/publications/t...matter-believe
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/02...nd-capitalism/
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29...orate-america/
This last one in particular has a good quote:
Naturally, a leftist will see no problem with these things, and may even agree.
HOWEVER, much of this goes against what the majority of Blacks in America think and believe.Last edited by Cow Poke; 07-09-2020, 10:06 AM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAs I said, the website is changed. I'm trying to find an archived copy. Apparently, they have been getting a lot of push-back from conservative sources attacking their Marxist roots.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
There's enough there for a whole new thread.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat we have seen from the Marxists in our country includes the wanton destruction of history, rioting and looting, "stature topplers" (a quaint way to describe anarchists).
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe whole "defund the police" movement has shown how much worse off cities have become already when adopting the "new ideas".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
OK, here's the problem with that rationale --- American is VERY divided, including the media. The media outlets who are in agreement with the "new ideas" are certainly NOT going to be critical of anything they support. We USED to have honest journalism (or maybe I'm naive about that, too) but today's "journalism" is more about BECOMING or MAKING the news than it is reporting it. Dismissing something out of hand because it comes from a conservative leaning source is not really legitimate.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
But, yes, an actual video, to me, is even better than a transcript. Still looking into this."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOK then, again I ask, if Marxism has succeeded in these goals then the people should be happy and content, correct? Not poor and miserable. If they have housing but it is in a slum and they have food, but have to wait in line for a day to get a stale loaf of bread, or eat out of garbage cans, or they have to wait 6 months to see a doctor, then you can claim Marxism has "taken care of the needy" but just really, really poorly.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo again, what Marxist countries have succeeded in achieving these goals and in which all (or even most) of the people are content and have a good standard of living and freedom?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostOn what evidence are all these people deemed to be "Marxists"?
As I understand it, from what I have read regarding the Defund the Police campaign, the suggestion was that some of the money currently expended on the police forces might be better spent on improving infrastructure, housing, healthcare and so on. We know that poverty as well as inequality and injustices often lead to resentment and hostility which can then erupt into violence. Indeed, from history that is how many revolutions have begun, including your own.
I did not dismiss the articles out of hand I merely remarked that I would read those links and their comments with a degree of caution [i.e. the proverbial spoonful of salt].
In bocca al lupo!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe above reads more like a description of the impoverished in many parts of the USA.
You have define what you deem to be "a good standard of living " and what you understand by "freedom". A philosopher might offer you various interpretations and scenarios for that latter concept.
The answer is: There are no such examples because every Marxist regime is an utter failure and testament to human misery.Last edited by Sparko; 07-09-2020, 02:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDodging noted. You do that a lot.
The answer is: There are no such examples because every Marxist regime is an utter failure and testament to human misery.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe above reads more like a description of the impoverished in many parts of the USA.
https://www.justfacts.com/news_poore...er_than_europe
The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most Nations of Europe
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostMostly myth
https://www.justfacts.com/news_poore...er_than_europe
The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most Nations of Europe
As one who has been in a number of Third World countries (including Haiti when it was REALLY bad[1]) I've seen real poverty. The example I often cite is how while in Central America we spent a day in a town that had just installed a spigot in the center of town so that the people didn't have to go over a ridge/hill every day so that they could get fresh water from a nearby creek. They were hoping that next year they could afford to pour some concrete around the spigot so they wouldn't have to stand in the mud when they filled their buckets.
For the most part, poverty in the U.S. means having to buy a generic cola rather than a Coca-cola or Pepsi.
1. Coincidentally around the same time me older little brudder from anudder mudder was their doing Missionary &/or relief work.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Meanwhile, Just had a meeting with the second in command at the PD - my black friend - and he's 100% on board with my approach.
Right out of the chute, he opined that the "black lives matter sentiment" is fine, but the organization that hijacked the message is, in effect, a bunch of snakes.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis has been noted many times. Many of America's poor would be considered middle class in a lot of Western European countries.
As one who has been in a number of Third World countries (including Haiti when it was REALLY bad[1]) I've seen real poverty. The example I often cite is how while in Central America we spent a day in a town that had just installed a spigot in the center of town so that the people didn't have to go over a ridge/hill every day so that they could get fresh water from a nearby creek. They were hoping that next year they could afford to pour some concrete around the spigot so they wouldn't have to stand in the mud when they filled their buckets.
For the most part, poverty in the U.S. means having to buy a generic cola rather than a Coca-cola or Pepsi.
1. Coincidentally around the same time me older little brudder from anudder mudder was their doing Missionary &/or relief work.
There is a poverty problem in the U.S. but the really impoverished have issues that create their conditions. Drug/alcohol addiction, mental illness, and a social welfare net that enables some to prefer living on the bottom rungs if it means not having to work. But aside from those issues, people who really want to elevate themselves can here.
They can't in a Marxist paradise.
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