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Is Black Lives Matter Marxist? No and Yes.

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  • #91
    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
    Game or not, it's a valid question. Considering that US economic policy entails systemic aspects of socialism, whether the US is a capitalistic "success story" is very much open to interpretation. It's not unreasonable to ask for some basic guidelines as to what you think an economic success story looks like in this context. It would also provide some reassurance that you're not going to quibble about whether some nation/entity has met that unspoken standard (ie. that you're not playing games yourself).


    And you aren't nearly as civil or reasonable as you think you are. You are in good company, though!
    You obviously didn't read all of the relevant posts. She was the one criticizing how we always criticize Marxism then claimed Marxism has various good humanitarian goals and wasn't the utter failure we were claiming. So I asked her for some examples of a successful Marxist society where those humanitarian goals were achieved and people were content instead of wallowing in misery. At that point she started playing definition games to avoid answering. Because of course, every Marxist society has been or is an utter failure in humanitarian terms. They all end up as totalitarian dictatorships with an elite class lording over the peons who mostly live in abject poverty. The only exceptions seem to be if they introduce capitalism into their society. Capitalism while not perfect is responsible for lifting most of the world out of poverty and creating more wealth and higher standards of living for more people than any other politico-economic system in the history of the world.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      The big clue was that instead of bloviating with her normal pages-long patronizing screed, she replied with a couple of one-liners.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teVsy-MShiI

      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        Argument by weblink isn't allowed!

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Argument by weblink isn't allowed!
          It is not an argument. It is a song sung by Ethel Waters entitled Please don't talk about me when I'm gone.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            It is not an argument. It is a song sung by Ethel Waters entitled Please don't talk about me when I'm gone.
            I was making a joke. thus the tongue

            but perhaps this would have been a better choice.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              OK, that was weird. Got there at 8:41 for an 8:45 meeting, texted that I was 'here", verified the time and location in the text - he was a no show. At 9:04 I texted "let me know when you can reschedule" and he responded "OK" -- no apology, no explanation.
              Perhaps deep down he knows what you are going to tell him and he doesn't want to hear it?


              Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                Perhaps deep down he knows what you are going to tell him and he doesn't want to hear it?
                Wow, OK..... finally showed up, another Pastor friend had stopped by, so it was the three of us. I asked if he minded if my friend stayed for the meeting, because he was also curious about the things I wanted to discuss.

                As SOON AS I broached the subject of Black Lives Matter, my black "boss" from the faith-based mission said, "Hold on, lemme show you what I was just doing...."

                He showed me his phone that had a screenshot of the EXACT SAME list of Marxist nonsense that I had printed out, from the same source.

                He is VERY much anti-BLM (the international organization that hijacked the BLM sentiment) and had been coaching some students about how dangerous it was.

                We JUST finished the meeting about 20 minutes ago, so lemme process it a bit, then I'll give a more complete summary.

                BUT... "we good!"
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #98
                  All right!


                  Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                    All right!
                    I think one of the things that had caused people to wonder was that, on his facebook page, he was wearing a black shirt with the big block white letters (like Black Lives Matter) that said "STOP KILLING US". This was in a video he was doing totally unrelated to the shirt, but about halfway through the video, he stops and addresses the shirt he's wearing...

                    He makes it very clear in that video that he's talking about even BLACK people "killing us", and he talks about black on black murder and problems within the black community.

                    I had been to a number of his breakfast meetings where he does the devotional, and I had ALWAYS thought, "man, that's some pretty hard core stuff" like GET A JOB, clean up your life, respect your elders, learn how to use manners, learn how to accept responsibility....

                    So, yeah, we good. And he always appreciates the fact that, any time I have a question, I come to him one on one, just like Matt 18. (which is why I asked if it was OK for the friend to sit in)
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      I was making a joke. thus the tongue
                      I assumed you were exercising your right to be "more direct and speak more plainly "
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        You obviously didn't read all of the relevant posts. She was the one criticizing how we always criticize Marxism
                        Point of information "she" did not "criticize" any comments. She initially wrote that “Many ideals contained within Marxist thinking would chime quite well with the compassionate aspects that are to be found within Christianity..

                        You replied with “ Please list the Marxist countries that have lived up to the ideals you claim they espouse,!

                        Given that I had not mentioned any specific Marxist regime that was purely an assumption on your part concerning my reply.

                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        Because of course, every Marxist society has been or is an utter failure in humanitarian terms.
                        For impoverished societies where the majority of the population has been dominated by any, or all, of the following: rapacious landowners, autocracies, corrupt legislatures and judiciaries that worked for the benefit of the wealthy/aristocracy/landowners, and against the interests of the rest of the populace, or the undue influence of foreign business, as well as the denial of basic rights. Being provided with universal healthcare, education, a degree of involvement in politics, jobs and a modest standard of living might be considered by those experiencing that change, a degree of success.

                        As I previously noted “success” depends on how one interprets that term.
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          One major difference is that it took centuries for that kind of behavior to be expressed by Christians
                          You need read a little more widely on the early history of your religion.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            You need read a little more widely on the early history of your religion.
                            Can we please take the "religion" discussion elsewhere?

                            Thanks
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Can we please take the "religion" discussion elsewhere?

                              Thanks
                              I recommend the moderator of this board moves the salient posts to new threads on Apologetics 301.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I recommend the moderator of this board moves the salient posts to new threads on Apologetics 301.
                                Or, at least, the religious ones.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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