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  • #76
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    When I worked at a food bank, I found that many of our customers drove in by car. Can you imagine owning an operational car in another country and being called "poor"? This was 20 years ago so cell phones were pretty rare, but I would guess that most customers today also own those. They have flat-screen TVs, electricity and refrigeration.

    There is a poverty problem in the U.S. but the really impoverished have issues that create their conditions. Drug/alcohol addiction, mental illness, and a social welfare net that enables some to prefer living on the bottom rungs if it means not having to work. But aside from those issues, people who really want to elevate themselves can here.

    They can't in a Marxist paradise.
    That's one of the biggest problems I have -- people come in for rent assistance, and they have the latest iPhone and Apple watch.

    I still have two tin cans and waxed string for high speed data*.



    *ok, that part might be a stretch
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Yup. If there were any Marxist success stories she would gladly list them rather than play her little games.
      That depends upon what you consider constitute "success stories".
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        I'm disappointed. I actually thought you were above that.
        I have merely asked for some verification. Corralling the opposition under one blanket definition seems to me to be rather facile.

        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        In some versions, yes. In other versions, it means TOTALLY defund the police and replace them with unarmed community workers, though they can't quite figure out how that will work.
        I recall watching a police officer being interviewed who made the point that for some areas of large cities, the police are the only service available and they are often called to deal with situations for which they have neither the training nor the capability to address. I do not entirely agree with the view expressed by Jamani Montague of Critical Resistance that all police should be abolished but I do support the idea of "building a sense of collective care and interdependency" - i.e. Gemeinschaft.

        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Which is EXACTLY why I usually go to the "opponent's" preference of source, to show them what their OWN side is saying. This was the intent with the BLM website, but they appear to have watered it down quite a bit.
        I accept your comments but, to reiterate, I did not view the site prior to your provision of the link.
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
          When I worked at a food bank, I found that many of our customers drove in by car. Can you imagine owning an operational car in another country and being called "poor"?
          That reminds me of a Korean woman I worked with in the 90s. When she was a kid her family was considered wealthy because her father owned a bike. No, not a motorcycle. A bike. She said her friends were jealous of her sister and her because he would give them a ride to school each morning.

          I should note that this was just after the Korean War and things have changed dramatically over there since then.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            That depends upon what you consider constitute "success stories".
            And the little games continue.

            Sorry to break it to you H_A but you aren't nearly as clever as you think you are.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #81
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              And the little games continue.

              Sorry to break it to you H_A but you aren't nearly as clever as you think you are.
              The direct ad hominem in lieu of a definition is duly noted.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                The direct ad hominem in lieu of a definition is duly noted.
                Continued game playing recognized for what it is and duly noted

                If you could provide an example you would rather than feebly attempting to hide behind definitions. But you can't so here we are.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Continued game playing recognized for what it is and duly noted

                  If you could provide an example you would rather than feebly attempting to hide behind definitions. But you can't so here we are.
                  I asked you to define the phrase that you employed. Yet you procrastinate and resort to ad hominems.

                  So which one of us is playing games?
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    I have merely asked for some verification. Corralling the opposition under one blanket definition seems to me to be rather facile.
                    I have my meeting with the Black Lives Matter guy this morning - will try to get back to this.

                    I recall watching a police officer being interviewed who made the point that for some areas of large cities, the police are the only service available and they are often called to deal with situations for which they have neither the training nor the capability to address. I do not entirely agree with the view expressed by Jamani Montague of Critical Resistance that all police should be abolished but I do support the idea of "building a sense of collective care and interdependency" - i.e. Gemeinschaft.p
                    I think our PD has it right. We actually have two officers who are trained in mental health situations, AND a network he can call on when over his head. Their motto is quite complex, but I'll quote it anyway --- "Treat them like people".

                    I accept your comments but, to reiterate, I did not view the site prior to your provision of the link.
                    Understood - that's quite a conversation offline, because I was using that material in my meeting with the BLM guy this morning.

                    Fortunately, the second in command at the PD, a black Captain, is a friend who is very well versed in BLM, and what WAS on their website.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                      FIFY


                      Again if you could cite an example you would have. That you continue to avoid doing so indicates that you can not. No surprise there since there are none.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Yup. If there were any Marxist success stories she would gladly list them rather than play her little games.
                        The big clue was that instead of bloviating with her normal pages-long patronizing screed, she replied with a couple of one-liners.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                          I asked you to define the phrase that you employed. Yet you procrastinate and resort to ad hominems.

                          So which one of us is playing games?
                          You. The answer is "you."

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            I have my meeting with the Black Lives Matter guy this morning - will try to get back to this.
                            OK, that was weird. Got there at 8:41 for an 8:45 meeting, texted that I was 'here", verified the time and location in the text - he was a no show. At 9:04 I texted "let me know when you can reschedule" and he responded "OK" -- no apology, no explanation.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Yup. If there were any Marxist success stories she would gladly list them rather than play her little games.
                              That depends upon what you consider constitute "success stories".
                              And the little games continue.
                              Game or not, it's a valid question. Considering that US economic policy entails systemic aspects of socialism, whether the US is a capitalistic "success story" is very much open to interpretation. It's not unreasonable to ask for some basic guidelines as to what you think an economic success story looks like in this context. It would also provide some reassurance that you're not going to quibble about whether some nation/entity has met that unspoken standard (ie. that you're not playing games yourself).

                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Sorry to break it to you H_A but you aren't nearly as clever as you think you are.
                              And you aren't nearly as civil or reasonable as you think you are. You are in good company, though!
                              Last edited by Whateverman; 07-10-2020, 09:28 AM.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                                Game or not, it's a valid question. Considering that US economic policy entails systemic aspects of socialism, whether the US is a capitalistic "success story" is very much open to interpretation. It's not unreasonable to ask for some basic guidelines as to what you think an economic success story looks like in this context. It would also provide some reassurance that you're not going to quibble about whether some nation/entity has met that unspoken standard (ie. that you're not playing games yourself).
                                Not at all.

                                If our roles were reversed and I thought I was correct I'd gladly post examples. If the person challenging me then says they don't count then it would be incumbent upon them to demonstrate why.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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