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    Biden has said it, but he mumbles a lot of stuff.

    I just saw Sheila Jackson Lee (she's so precious) defending Biden's statement, and pretty much confirming that Biden's official platform is almost verbatim what Bernie's platform was.

    She also stressed "union jobs" as the way they plan to rebuild America.

    From his own website...

    THE BIDEN PLAN FOR STRENGTHENING WORKER ORGANIZING, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, AND UNIONS

    trong unions built the great American middle class. Everything that defines what it means to live a good life and know you can take care of your family – the 40 hour work week, paid leave, health care protections, a voice in your workplace – is because of workers who organized unions and fought for worker protections. Because of organizing and collective bargaining, there used to be a basic bargain between workers and their employers in this country that when you work hard, you share in the prosperity your work created.

    Today, however, there’s a war on organizing, collective bargaining, unions, and workers. It’s been raging for decades, and it’s getting worse with Donald Trump in the White House. Republican governors and state legislatures across the country have advanced anti-worker legislation to undercut the labor movement and collective bargaining. States have decimated the rights of public sector workers who, unlike private sector workers, do not have federal protections ensuring their freedom to organize and collectively bargain. In the private sector, corporations are using profits to buy back their own shares and increase CEOs’ compensation instead of investing in their workers and creating more good-quality jobs. The results have been predictable: rising income inequality, stagnant real wages, the loss of pensions, exploitation of workers, and a weakening of workers’ voices in our society.

    Biden is proposing a plan to grow a stronger, more inclusive middle class – the backbone of the American economy – by strengthening public and private sector unions and helping all workers bargain successfully for what they deserve.


    Then....


    Don't be fooled: Joe Biden is no friend of unions


    The former vice-president is dressing up his candidacy in a blue-collar costume. But he’s never taken a political risk for workers

    In San Francisco there’s a high-end boutique called “Unionmade”. There you will find expensive work jackets and overalls, lit by bare bulbs and displayed on unvarnished metal shelves. The aesthetic could not convey its message any more clearly: buy these clothes, and access a bygone era of authenticity and American craftsmanship. But it’s a lie – the clothes on offer are largely not union-made. “The unfortunate reality is that there are not many unions left in the garment industry and so the name was cultivated as a signifier of well-made and aesthetically timeless goods,” explains a spokesperson.

    As the industrial working class has faded, its afterimage has become available for appropriation in commerce, in culture and in politics. Such appropriation need not entail commitment to the workers’ movement. Everyone from Levi’s jeans to Donald Trump has made this move – and now, Joe Biden, the would-be candidate of labor.

    Biden is the Unionmade of politicians. The former vice-president is taking great care to dress up his new candidacy in a blue-collar costume; as Andrew Epstein puts it, he is an “aesthetic populist”. His kickoff rally was on Monday in a union hall in Pittsburgh, where the president of the United Steelworkers of America promised his members would be present “wearing their USW gear”.

    .....

    When Biden cracked a joke several weeks ago about his habit of touching women without consent, he was speaking to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. While the IBEW today takes a strong public stand for workplace equality, both the union and the industry have deep histories of ignoring sexual harassment and racial discrimination. According to a 2013 study, only one-quarter of women in the building trades believe they are equally respected on the job. This context makes Biden’s joking about the accusation of a Latina before that particular crowd seem altogether more insidious. Harassment, after all, is nothing if not a workplace issue. You’d only joke about it to a union crowd if you didn’t think women were really workers.


    More than half the states in the US are "right to work" states for a reason.

    As we discussed in other threads, POLICE UNIONS and TEACHER UNIONS are some of the biggest problems for law enforcement and education respectively.

    Biden wants more of that.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    I don't see how Police Unions can give one dime to this guy...

    Joe Steps in It Again While Trashing Police: ‘They Become the Enemy’

    https://www.redstate.com/mike_miller...ome-the-enemy/
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    • #3
      At this point, Biden is just parroting what his handlers and speech writers are telling him to. I don't feel like he even has a stance on anything or even understands what he is saying. He has a blank look in his eyes as he delivers his "speeches"

      Maybe he is animatronic or some AI puppet?


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Biden has said it, but he mumbles a lot of stuff.

        I just saw Sheila Jackson Lee (she's so precious) defending Biden's statement, and pretty much confirming that Biden's official platform is almost verbatim what Bernie's platform was.

        She also stressed "union jobs" as the way they plan to rebuild America.

        From his own website...

        THE BIDEN PLAN FOR STRENGTHENING WORKER ORGANIZING, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, AND UNIONS

        trong unions built the great American middle class. Everything that defines what it means to live a good life and know you can take care of your family – the 40 hour work week, paid leave, health care protections, a voice in your workplace – is because of workers who organized unions and fought for worker protections. Because of organizing and collective bargaining, there used to be a basic bargain between workers and their employers in this country that when you work hard, you share in the prosperity your work created.

        Today, however, there’s a war on organizing, collective bargaining, unions, and workers. It’s been raging for decades, and it’s getting worse with Donald Trump in the White House. Republican governors and state legislatures across the country have advanced anti-worker legislation to undercut the labor movement and collective bargaining. States have decimated the rights of public sector workers who, unlike private sector workers, do not have federal protections ensuring their freedom to organize and collectively bargain. In the private sector, corporations are using profits to buy back their own shares and increase CEOs’ compensation instead of investing in their workers and creating more good-quality jobs. The results have been predictable: rising income inequality, stagnant real wages, the loss of pensions, exploitation of workers, and a weakening of workers’ voices in our society.

        Biden is proposing a plan to grow a stronger, more inclusive middle class – the backbone of the American economy – by strengthening public and private sector unions and helping all workers bargain successfully for what they deserve.


        Then....


        Don't be fooled: Joe Biden is no friend of unions


        The former vice-president is dressing up his candidacy in a blue-collar costume. But he’s never taken a political risk for workers

        In San Francisco there’s a high-end boutique called “Unionmade”. There you will find expensive work jackets and overalls, lit by bare bulbs and displayed on unvarnished metal shelves. The aesthetic could not convey its message any more clearly: buy these clothes, and access a bygone era of authenticity and American craftsmanship. But it’s a lie – the clothes on offer are largely not union-made. “The unfortunate reality is that there are not many unions left in the garment industry and so the name was cultivated as a signifier of well-made and aesthetically timeless goods,” explains a spokesperson.

        As the industrial working class has faded, its afterimage has become available for appropriation in commerce, in culture and in politics. Such appropriation need not entail commitment to the workers’ movement. Everyone from Levi’s jeans to Donald Trump has made this move – and now, Joe Biden, the would-be candidate of labor.

        Biden is the Unionmade of politicians. The former vice-president is taking great care to dress up his new candidacy in a blue-collar costume; as Andrew Epstein puts it, he is an “aesthetic populist”. His kickoff rally was on Monday in a union hall in Pittsburgh, where the president of the United Steelworkers of America promised his members would be present “wearing their USW gear”.

        .....

        When Biden cracked a joke several weeks ago about his habit of touching women without consent, he was speaking to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. While the IBEW today takes a strong public stand for workplace equality, both the union and the industry have deep histories of ignoring sexual harassment and racial discrimination. According to a 2013 study, only one-quarter of women in the building trades believe they are equally respected on the job. This context makes Biden’s joking about the accusation of a Latina before that particular crowd seem altogether more insidious. Harassment, after all, is nothing if not a workplace issue. You’d only joke about it to a union crowd if you didn’t think women were really workers.


        More than half the states in the US are "right to work" states for a reason.

        As we discussed in other threads, POLICE UNIONS and TEACHER UNIONS are some of the biggest problems for law enforcement and education respectively.

        Biden wants more of that.
        I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but the eighties called and they want their union politics back.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
          I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but the eighties called and they want their union politics back.
          Amen -- Unions are dying a natural death....

          Union membership in the US keeps on falling, like almost everywhere else

          union.jpg
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Amen -- Unions are dying a natural death....

            Union membership in the US keeps on falling, like almost everywhere else

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            That's in the private sector. In the public (government) sector they are still doing well.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Biden has said it, but he mumbles a lot of stuff.

              I just saw Sheila Jackson Lee (she's so precious) defending Biden's statement, and pretty much confirming that Biden's official platform is almost verbatim what Bernie's platform was.

              She also stressed "union jobs" as the way they plan to rebuild America.

              From his own website...

              THE BIDEN PLAN FOR STRENGTHENING WORKER ORGANIZING, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, AND UNIONS

              trong unions built the great American middle class. Everything that defines what it means to live a good life and know you can take care of your family – the 40 hour work week, paid leave, health care protections, a voice in your workplace – is because of workers who organized unions and fought for worker protections. Because of organizing and collective bargaining, there used to be a basic bargain between workers and their employers in this country that when you work hard, you share in the prosperity your work created.

              Today, however, there’s a war on organizing, collective bargaining, unions, and workers. It’s been raging for decades, and it’s getting worse with Donald Trump in the White House. Republican governors and state legislatures across the country have advanced anti-worker legislation to undercut the labor movement and collective bargaining. States have decimated the rights of public sector workers who, unlike private sector workers, do not have federal protections ensuring their freedom to organize and collectively bargain. In the private sector, corporations are using profits to buy back their own shares and increase CEOs’ compensation instead of investing in their workers and creating more good-quality jobs. The results have been predictable: rising income inequality, stagnant real wages, the loss of pensions, exploitation of workers, and a weakening of workers’ voices in our society.

              Biden is proposing a plan to grow a stronger, more inclusive middle class – the backbone of the American economy – by strengthening public and private sector unions and helping all workers bargain successfully for what they deserve.


              Then....


              Don't be fooled: Joe Biden is no friend of unions


              The former vice-president is dressing up his candidacy in a blue-collar costume. But he’s never taken a political risk for workers

              In San Francisco there’s a high-end boutique called “Unionmade”. There you will find expensive work jackets and overalls, lit by bare bulbs and displayed on unvarnished metal shelves. The aesthetic could not convey its message any more clearly: buy these clothes, and access a bygone era of authenticity and American craftsmanship. But it’s a lie – the clothes on offer are largely not union-made. “The unfortunate reality is that there are not many unions left in the garment industry and so the name was cultivated as a signifier of well-made and aesthetically timeless goods,” explains a spokesperson.

              As the industrial working class has faded, its afterimage has become available for appropriation in commerce, in culture and in politics. Such appropriation need not entail commitment to the workers’ movement. Everyone from Levi’s jeans to Donald Trump has made this move – and now, Joe Biden, the would-be candidate of labor.

              Biden is the Unionmade of politicians. The former vice-president is taking great care to dress up his new candidacy in a blue-collar costume; as Andrew Epstein puts it, he is an “aesthetic populist”. His kickoff rally was on Monday in a union hall in Pittsburgh, where the president of the United Steelworkers of America promised his members would be present “wearing their USW gear”.

              .....

              When Biden cracked a joke several weeks ago about his habit of touching women without consent, he was speaking to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. While the IBEW today takes a strong public stand for workplace equality, both the union and the industry have deep histories of ignoring sexual harassment and racial discrimination. According to a 2013 study, only one-quarter of women in the building trades believe they are equally respected on the job. This context makes Biden’s joking about the accusation of a Latina before that particular crowd seem altogether more insidious. Harassment, after all, is nothing if not a workplace issue. You’d only joke about it to a union crowd if you didn’t think women were really workers.


              More than half the states in the US are "right to work" states for a reason.

              As we discussed in other threads, POLICE UNIONS and TEACHER UNIONS are some of the biggest problems for law enforcement and education respectively.

              Biden wants more of that.
              I read the title of your thread, and I said to myself, "I bet he's going to claim some sort of inconsistency based on POLICE unions". Then out of curiosity I opened the thread to see if I was right. Yep, there it is.

              Unions - in general - are a net plus, ESPECIALLY today with the GOP aggressively pursuing the abuse of workers and the padding of the pockets of those that abuse them. But Unions, like any group with power, can be and often are corrupted. POLICE Unions occupy that spot. Teachers unions not so much, though there are clear problems with them as well.

              Unions suffer from the problem that to be fair, and to protect against abusive management practices, they must negotiate contracts with rules that make it difficult to arbitrarily fire any worker in the union. This results in bad cops and bad teachers being able to hang on in spite of the fact they should be dismissed. But the problem is the management abuse that has to be countered by arbitrary union rules. Rules and laws are often unable to be written in such a way they can't be abused. The only way to avoid that is to have absolutely fair and objective people running things, and that just never happens.

              Right now with an abusive and corrupt government becoming more abusive and more corrupt each day, we need to support organizations that limit the capacity of those in power to abuse those without power. And that will continue until and unless the population driving the current GOP* leadership begins to understand what are in fact the founding principles of our government. That power must be restrained because it WILL be abused, and that those in power should as much as possible be moral and upright people with the best interests of the country at heart. We have the capacity to elect those kinds of people if we as a people are committed to doing so. But we have abdicated our responsibility to do so in favor of short term gains in very limited (and themselves in some cases corrupt) areas of interest.

              *The problems of abuse of power exist on both sides, but are the most extreme today in the GOP and the Trump administration and supported almost without reservation by its voting base.
              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-10-2020, 09:31 AM.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #8
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                I read the title of your thread, and I said to myself, "I bet he's going to claim some sort of inconsistency based on POLICE unions". Then out of curiosity I opened the thread to see if I was right. Yep, there it is.
                AND Teacher unions, and with good reason.


                ETA: And please take your OrangeManBad crap somewhere else.

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                Last edited by Cow Poke; 07-10-2020, 09:39 AM.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  AND Teacher unions, and with good reason.


                  ETA: And please take your OrangeManBad crap somewhere else.

                  Thanks
                  I'll wear you banishment with honor. My post was reasoned and clear, and did not attack you in any way but expressed the need to support unions in the light of the corruption of the current administration clearly.

                  It is sad you can't tolerate such a post in your thread. But it is not unexpected.


                  My allowed last post in this thread will be to reiterate the dangers of that same corrupt administration and to point out that by banning the recognition of that truth, you are complicit with it.


                  The reality is that this administration is so corrupt, so incompetent that not only does the US have one of the worst responses to the corona-virus in the world that has killed hundreds of thousands of our own citizens unnecessarily ( and will likely kill hundreds of thousands more), Trump's abject ignorance has led us to a place where significant and intelligent members of his own party are campaigning aggressively AGAINST him.

                  https://lincolnproject.us/

                  His own niece - a PhD psychologist has written a book analyzing his sick and destructive psyche warning this nation about it.

                  https://www.amazon.com/Too-Much-Neve...ag=googhydr-20

                  Multiple former members of his own cabinet have come out with repeated warnings about his incompetence and his abusive and corrupt nature and actions.

                  And yet you would try to silence even the most modest of reflections on those facts in context of your OP. Biden rightly will reach out to those elements of our nation that protect those this corrupt administration will abuse. But he will have to navigate carefully the potential conflict that comes from supporting unions in general while recognizing the corrupting influences of Police unions wrt protecting abusive officers.

                  Teachers unions have problems, but not of a sort that can be equated to the police union problems - so I'm ignoring that rabbit trail in both my posts.

                  I will reiterate that daily case counts of covid19 in the US are skyrocketing - DOUBLE the daily counts that were in effect for the first shutdown. deaths in the US from coronavirus are on the rise now as well, as expected by anyone following the science and ignoring paranoid conspiracy theorist and politicians. Recklessness on the part of governors loyal to Trump are a big part of nullifying our attempts to contain the virus and condemning at least 100,000 more people to a horrible and lonely death from covid-19.

                  And with all that, Trump continues to claim 'testing is the problem'. And he wants to force teachers and students into unsafe environments as the case counts skyrocket and evidence is pointing toward the fact the virus spreads in the air more effectively than previously understood. He wants to hold political rallies all over the country were mask wearing is implicitly discouraged and social distancing is ignored.

                  See you in another thread CP.
                  Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-10-2020, 10:24 AM.
                  My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                  If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                  This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    I'll wear you banishment with honor.
                    Jim, the rules for banishment have been clarified, and you are allowed ONE response for the SOLE purpose of acknowledging that you have been asked to leave.
                    Since you're most likely unaware of that clarification, I'll post it here, after which - you have already responded, so no need to again.
                    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    To all forum members:

                    There seems to be some confusion over who can ban - or be banned - from a thread. Please note the following guidelines:
                    1. The thread owner can limit who can participate in the first post. They can say "Only Christians" or "Only people who wear blue jeans" "no spamming" or whatever. IF they have a history of problems with certain posters, they may request that those people not participate. But this is not to be taken to extremes and can be denied by moderator decision if we believe it is being abused. In other words, you can't just use this power to keep any critics out of your thread so you can "win".

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                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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