Conservative values/principles

[Leonhard]

Native Americans - 0.9% of U.S. Population - 0.19% of 107th Congress - 0.75% of 116th Congress
Asian-Americans - 5.4% of U.S. Population - 1.31% of 107th Congress - 3.18% of 116th Congress
Hispanic-Americans - 16.7% of U.S. Population - 3.55% of 107th Congress - 8.04% of 116th Congress
Black-Americans - 13.4% of U.S. Population - 6.73% of 107th Congress - 10.47% of 116th Congress

It's getting better, still a way to go though.

[Cow Poke]

Actually, I goofed on this one.

You do so much better when you just pronounce me right.

[rogue06]

I heard something about the Sage of the Bronx, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, has proclaimed that the sudden very sharp spike in violent crime is the result of the bad economy, declaring that it is supposedly forcing people to shoplift bread to feed their starving families.

Of course she neglects to explain what that has to do with the increase in violent crime. Last time I checked it wasn't folks supposedly stealing bread who are brutally assaulting, murdering, and raping others for it

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[Mountain Man]

The terms "black culture" and "white culture" are somewhat misleading. "Black cultures" and "white cultures" might be more accurate. Just as there are numerous cultures that have been created by people with light skin, there are also multiple cultures created by people with dark skin. Providing for as wide a variety of these experiences a possible has been our goal.

Well, yes, that's why I asked, because you mentioned deliberately exposing your kiddos to "black cultural heritage", so I was curious what exactly that looked like from your point of view.

[firstfloor]

What are they?

It's a simple question, open to everyone. Looking for real answers/opinions.

#1: Women need moral supervision; given them f.o.c. by men.

[Whateverman]

#1: Women need moral supervision; given them f.o.c. by men.

Ha!

Well, i can't agree that this is a modern conservative value, but I agree that it used to be - and that there are clearly still pockets of conservatism wherein this value is alive and well.

[Maranatha]

What are they?

It's a simple question, open to everyone. Looking for real answers/opinions.

The simple and complete answer is the constitution. As a conservative, I value the constitution.

[Whateverman]

The simple and complete answer is the constitution. As a conservative, I value the constitution.

There's obviously more than that, but I didn't start this thread to argue with conservatives. I started it to hear them describe themselves.

So thank you.

[firstfloor]

Ha!

Well, i can't agree that this is a modern conservative value, but I agree that it used to be - and that there are clearly still pockets of conservatism wherein this value is alive and well.

This principle is thriving in the abortion debate. Male legislators are working vigorously to ensure that a choice women now have, will be taken away, to save women from immoral behaviour.

[Starlight]

You basically have two choices:

1. Generally there is higher police aggression in black neighborhoods because police are largely racist.
2. Generally there is higher police aggression in black neighborhoods because there is more violent crime.

The biggest scientific study I'm aware of found that the answer was both, but a lot more #1 than #2.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias gives this graph, which is informative:



What that tells you is that for incidents in white neighborhoods (left side of the graph), black and white officers had a similar chance of deciding to use a gun during the incident. (i.e. black cops aren't racist toward whites and don't use guns on them any more than white cops do)

But in a black neighborhood, it's a whole other story. When a black officer was dispatched to deal with a situation, their chances of using a gun in an incident in a black neighborhood were ~50% higher than in a white neighborhood. That shouldn't be surprising, as it reflects more violent crimes occurring there.

But the statistic that really stands out (top right of the graph) is that white officers were ~800% more likely to use their gun in a black neighborhood than in a white one. The white officers, unlike the black officers, are really, really, trigger-happy in black areas.

That seems to be racism: The behavior of the white cops with regard to use of a gun is really really different to the black cops, and that behavioral difference just so happens to manifest in black neighborhoods. That behavior is how a racist person would act.

So with regard to your two explanations of police use of force in black neighborhoods of (1) racism, and (2) more crime, then, assuming we are talking about white officers, it appears from the data that it's about 75% due to apparent racism and 25% due to more serious crime in those areas.

[Starlight]

So let's look at that data. Remember that the 107th Congress was 2001 and the 116th is today:

Native Americans - 0.9% of U.S. Population - 0.19% of 107th Congress - 0.75% of 116th Congress
Asian-Americans - 5.4% of U.S. Population - 1.31% of 107th Congress - 3.18% of 116th Congress
Hispanic-Americans - 16.7% of U.S. Population - 3.55% of 107th Congress - 8.04% of 116th Congress
Black-Americans - 13.4% of U.S. Population - 6.73% of 107th Congress - 10.47% of 116th Congress

Worth looking at the demographics of who the newly-elected members were in each party in hat 116th Congress. It tells a clear story as to which party represents a single race (and mostly a single sex) and which party represents in a balanced way the demographics of America:

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The Republicans appear to be the party of a single race and a single sex. Worth reflecting on the fact that the stats you cite are only reasonably close to that of the overall US population because there was a blue wave in 2018, so Dems were able to elect such a well-balanced field that reflected the wider US population.

[seer]

The biggest scientific study I'm aware of found that the answer was both, but a lot more #1 than #2.

Does this take into account how the black population reacts to white police as opposed black officers? Do we see more aggravated assaults on white cops, more resisting arrest, evading arrest, or interfering in an arrest than with black officers? If you don't control for these things the numbers are meaningless.

[seanD]

Does this take into account how the black population reacts to white police as opposed black officers? Do we see more aggravated assaults on white cops, more resisting arrest, evading arrest, or interfering in an arrest than with black officers? If you don't control for these things the numbers are meaningless.

It's unquestionably nuanced. White cops are more cautious because they undoubtedly have more aggressive encounters with blacks than black cops do. Not just in how blacks view cops in general, but especially how they view whites in general. Blacks, particularly in the hood, are deeply racist against whites primarily because of democratic leaders (especially and particularly Nation of Islam leaders like Farrakhan) drumming into their heads that "whitey" is keeping them down and a major part of their struggles. Liberals love to deny the racist views on the part of blacks against whites, but this is a stone cold reality that no one living in the hood can deny. This also shows in the black on white violent crime data. I have no doubt this is a factor that affects the data SL referenced.

[seer]

This also shows in the black on white violent crime data. I have no doubt this is a factor that affects the data SL referenced.

Right and that probably bleeds over to white cops.

[Mountain Man]

Worth looking at the demographics of who the newly-elected members were in each party in hat 116th Congress. It tells a clear story as to which party represents a single race (and mostly a single sex) and which party represents in a balanced way the demographics of America:

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The Republicans appear to be the party of a single race and a single sex. Worth reflecting on the fact that the stats you cite are only reasonably close to that of the overall US population because there was a blue wave in 2018, so Dems were able to elect such a well-balanced field that reflected the wider US population.

Why are liberals so obsessed with skin color and gender?