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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI'm reminded of Chesterton who refused to call himself conservative or progressive.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think, in general, conservatives believe their ideals rest on a fixed foundation that is independent of culture, society, or any one person's opinion. They are resistant to change only because the foundation does not change.
Liberals, on the other hand, hold to a more flexible standard that accounts for societal whims. They welcome and embrace change and in fact consider it a virtue when a long held belief is discarded in favor of the latest vogue.
At least that's how I see it. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me that I'm wrong.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe GOP platform is here:
https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/medi...DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf
Too long to quote here. But as a conservative party, it's platform encompasses many conservative values, such as liberty, respect for life, law and order and the constitution.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf republicans truely valued the law, they wouldn't be supporting a lawless president. Words are cheap!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostIf republicans truely valued the law, they wouldn't be supporting a lawless president. Words are cheap!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf republicans truely valued the law, they wouldn't be supporting a lawless president. Words are cheap!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf liberals truley [sic] valued the law, they wouldn't support lawless anarchy, rioting, burning, looting... and make excuses for "statue topplers".
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think, in general, conservatives believe their ideals rest on a fixed foundation that is independent of culture, society, or any one person's opinion. They are resistant to change only because the foundation does not change.
Liberals, on the other hand, hold to a more flexible standard that accounts for societal whims. They welcome and embrace change and in fact consider it a virtue when a long held belief is discarded in favor of the latest vogue.
At least that's how I see it. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me that I'm wrong.
In general, conservatives tend to fear change for any reason. Liberals generally do not. A few liberals embrace change just for the sake of change - but most liberals embrace change when they see a reason for a change to occur, always asking "wouldn't it be better if things were this way?" For the liberal, "that's the way it's always been done" is an invitation to mindless existence as sheep and marries us to any and all ills of the past.
Usually, the two forces counter-balance one another. The conservative keeps the liberal from running pell mell into the future with experimentation that has little thought to consequences, and the liberal constantly nudges the conservative out of their complacent, backward looking fixations. But that relationship is now (probably irrevocably) broken, and the two sides see one another not as complements to be embraced but as enemies to be defeated.
Some of the most "liberal" minds in our history were the Founding Fathers. They had the vision to look at some of the most revolutionary philosophers of their day and embrace the changes those philosophies embodied, designing an entire nation around them. There is an irony to the fact that conservatives cling to them as bastions of conservatism and liberals do not see them for the liberals they were.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf liberals truley [sic] valued the law, they wouldn't support lawless anarchy, rioting, burning, looting... and make excuses for "statue topplers".
And I seem to recall a fair amount of rioting, burning, and even looting...
ETA: BTW, I am not defending the looting or the burning. But I do understand it. I suspect if any of us had to live in a black person's skin for more than a few weeks, we might find ourselves tempted to act out as well.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, and I don't. That's just a canard, another excuse for yourself in defense of your support for a lawless treasonous president.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI find myself wondering if the early Americans who dumped English tea into Boston Harbor, or the Sons of Freedom who pulled down the statue of George III in 1776 after hearing the reading of the Declaration of Independence, were described in similar terms by colonists who sided with England...
And I seem to recall a fair amount of rioting, burning, and even looting...
ETA: BTW, I am not defending the looting or the burning. But I do understand it.
I suspect if any of us had to live in a black person's skin for more than a few weeks, we might find ourselves tempted to act out as well.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostTruth hurts doe it? Hope so.
Jim, once again, there's FAR more evidence on this board that you support NAMBLA than that I support Trump.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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