Expose the Deed of Darkness

[seanD]

Some conservative Christians are prone to belief in conspiracy theories like this. When I had Facebook, it was conservative Christians, not liberal leftists, who promoted this.

My conservative Christian sister currently believes Trump is secretly rescuing the world’s victims of globalist pedophilia networks.

The girl with the blue hair in the video she showed didn't look that conservative to me, though I admit I don't know who she was.

[mikewhitney]

That doesn't really answer the question though. These things are typically done underground, not out in the open like that, for obvious reasons. How many folks knew anything about Epstein and what he was doing until it was exposed by law enforcement when he was actually brought to court? Not many. There's a reason for that. They don't do such things in the open for the internet sleuths to expose, much less law enforcement.

Epstein probably was old-fashioned/old-tech in his approach.

At the Epstein level, he does not have to be secret about things. Epstein apparently had enough people blackmailed that he did not have many situations to be cautious about. He had Clinton, Obama, Trump, Prince Andrew, Gates, ... the list actually is quite long. It is the smaller traffickers that have to be more cautious.

[Leonhard]

I have not conveniently found flight schedules to Epstein's island.

Of course not. Pedophiles operates on the basis of people who know people.

People like convenience.

We can agree on that.

The problem of using private chat channels or onion-routers is that you might more likely be hitting a honey pot where you get exposed. The Tor process has been rigged by the CIA to send a tracer back to your computer so, again, you can be tracked.

This is false, the CIA cannot trace people through the onion-router protocol. The only way into those servers is by good old fashioned undercover work, which is how those rings got cracked. Those techniques work on all criminal activity, because at the end of the day it is people doing it.

By contrast, going to Wayfair, you would be on a popular store front website where you might feel a little more comfortable visiting.

Why on earth would a pedophile be comfortable using a huge corporate website, with a massive database that can easily be subpoenaed. There's no plausibility to this. If I had to do shady deals it would without me having a phone on me, going to meet someone I trust, in the flesh and no where else.

I'm not sure of the reasons for covering up the pornography and child trafficking problem.

If there isn't a child trafficking problem, then there's no covering up. So far I haven't seen any hard evidence.

[Leonhard]

QAonon is intelligence.

This I sincerely doubt. Sounds to be just a conspiracy woodstock on 4chan.

[whag]

Epstein probably was old-fashioned/old-tech in his approach.

At the Epstein level, he does not have to be secret about things. Epstein apparently had enough people blackmailed that he did not have many situations to be cautious about. He had Clinton, Obama, Trump, Prince Andrew, Gates, ... the list actually is quite long. It is the smaller traffickers that have to be more cautious.

I’ve seen Epstein and Maxwell photographed with everyone named here except for Obama. And even the photographs don’t prove they condoned Epstein’s behavior. Please splain how he blackmailed Obama.

[seanD]

This I sincerely doubt. Sounds to be just a conspiracy woodstock on 4chan.

Why did you snip my post though? I'm not saying I believe what QAnon conspiracy theorists believe about it. I think it's a deliberate hoax. That was my point you left out.

[mikewhitney]

Some conservative Christians are prone to belief in conspiracy theories like this. When I had Facebook, it was conservative Christians, not liberal leftists, who promoted this.

My conservative Christian sister currently believes Trump is secretly rescuing the world’s victims of globalist pedophilia networks.

Are you one of those crazy Epstein-deniers? But seriously, have you considered the reach of Epstein's blackmailing and human trafficking?

Polly is an excellent researcher. She't not a Christian either. Either the information she finds is rigged or it is valid internet content.

She actually searched stuff based on Q and found good material. But eventually Q appeared to be a diversion. I think these so-called secret actions of Trump are false stories. Again they seem to be a diversion.

One problem I find to be quite extensive is that people don't trust stories unless these stories are made up by the mainstream news sources. However, we keep finding how the media makes up a bunch of the news stories -- like showing lines for coronavirus testing in March, then citizen reporters show the next day that no one was getting tested.

[seanD]

Epstein probably was old-fashioned/old-tech in his approach.

At the Epstein level, he does not have to be secret about things. Epstein apparently had enough people blackmailed that he did not have many situations to be cautious about. He had Clinton, Obama, Trump, Prince Andrew, Gates, ... the list actually is quite long. It is the smaller traffickers that have to be more cautious.

Again Mike, look at the two pedophile conspiracy facts in my post #8. Isn't that enough wacky pedo conspiracy to chew on? My feeling is that this unsubstantiated stuff just clouds what we already know.

[mikewhitney]

Again Mike, look at the two pedophile conspiracy facts in my post #8. Isn't that enough wacky pedo conspiracy to chew on? My feeling is that this unsubstantiated stuff just clouds what we already know.

There are different ways to wake up people to what is happening. It can help to show that this stuff is right under people's noses. It certainly would help if people started exploring the implications of the blackmail operations by Epstein. It would be helpful to know if Epstein was working on behalf of someone higher up than he. It seems he could not work as an independent blackmailer if he was the head person in this. He would simply have no broad powers against someone who sought to kill him. So we have to think about the implications even if we cannot know much more from our vantage point.

[mikewhitney]

Of course not. Pedophiles operates on the basis of people who know people.

We can agree on that.

This is false, the CIA cannot trace people through the onion-router protocol. The only way into those servers is by good old fashioned undercover work, which is how those rings got cracked. Those techniques work on all criminal activity, because at the end of the day it is people doing it.

Why on earth would a pedophile be comfortable using a huge corporate website, with a massive database that can easily be subpoenaed. There's no plausibility to this. If I had to do shady deals it would without me having a phone on me, going to meet someone I trust, in the flesh and no where else.

If there isn't a child trafficking problem, then there's no covering up. So far I haven't seen any hard evidence.

Tor was broken momentarily, as far are we are informed (However, it was 2014 https://phys.org/news/2015-12-tor-pr...ly-broken.html).

I'm not sure how anyone could say that child trafficking is not a problem. Yet, it is okay to want to know how extensive it is or how much evidence there is.

Trafficking can involve simple child prostitution rings (maybe of kidnapped children or runaways). There are people that have testified to their experience here. And we have victims of Epstein who have testified to this. There also could be transportation of children to locations for services -- to secluded places or to different countries. The transportation may be harder to find evidence for.

[Leonhard]

I'm not sure how anyone could say that child trafficking is not a problem. Yet, it is okay to want to know how extensive it is or how much evidence there is.

I'm not sure who you're addressing with this statement. Sex trafficking is a problem. We're just rightfully skeptical that an online e-store is being used for it.

There also could be transportation of children to locations for services -- to secluded places or to different countries. The transportation may be harder to find evidence for.

You're describing sex trafficking. No one is disputing that sex trafficking is real. But Wayfaire being used to traffic victim? That seems farfetched, and there's neither prior plausibility for it, or any good reason why they'd do it.

[Leonhard]

Why did you snip my post though? I'm not saying I believe what QAnon conspiracy theorists believe about it. I think it's a deliberate hoax. That was my point you left out.

Because I sincerely thought you were saying that QAnon was valid. I did read your post in full.

[mikewhitney]

I'm not sure who you're addressing with this statement. Sex trafficking is a problem. We're just rightfully skeptical that an online e-store is being used for it.

You're describing sex trafficking. No one is disputing that sex trafficking is real. But Wayfaire being used to traffic victim? That seems farfetched, and there's neither prior plausibility for it, or any good reason why they'd do it.

The Wayfair marketing approach does not take a percentage of each sale of products sold on their site. So, we have to ask how the company makes money.

Of course there is no indication that children are sold directly from the website. I think the idea is that the clues tell certain people where to make the connection. The items may not be "sold" on the website, but the items are only for listing prices.

Are there decent explanations why there were cabinets sold for $16,000 or why the backgrounds to products had such weird names on the books? A dinosaur picture for $30,000?

Why (as shown at 10:45 into the video) does a picture frame (in the background) show Haitian Friends? Something is truly out of sync from normal marketing concepts.

If you can make sense of the oddities of Wayfair (the business model, the product pricing, the books), then we might be comforted by these alternative explanations.

I think the other important point was mentioned by the FBI agent in 2013. He said 80% of trafficking is done through the internet. It certainly is not going to be direct. Wayfair, for example, would likely deliver you a cabinet that you paid $16,000 for. You would not get a child, as if a purchase could even work this way. They would recognize that you did not know how this process really works. So, the process would still be hidden. Wayfair could not be indicted for any blatant trafficking.

[Leonhard]

The Wayfair marketing approach does not take a percentage of each sale of products sold on their site. So, we have to ask how the company makes money.

They do it by paying wholesale cost of the item and setting the retail cost, they describe that precisely at their website under terms and conditions.

Of course there is no indication that children are sold directly from the website. I think the idea is that the clues tell certain people where to make the connection. The items may not be "sold" on the website but only for listing prices.

That would be outragiously stupid. It's one thing to sell things on a closed invite-only online black market, it's another thing to create a website and leave behind clues like a puzzle to follow. This isn't plausible in the slightest.

Are there decent explanations why there were cabinets sold for $16,000 or why the backgrounds to products had such weird names on the books? A dinosaur picture for $30,000?

Overpriced items happen, then there's glitches in software and finally money laundering schemes.

Why (as shown at 10:45 into the video) does a picture frame (in the background) show Haitian Friends? Something is truly out of sync from normal marketing concepts.

Try to unpack this. Why is this evidence of child trafficking.

[seanD]

Because I sincerely thought you were saying that QAnon was valid. I did read your post in full.

It wasn't even a long post at all. I just don't get when folks omit large parts of someone's post, much less just a few sentences. I don't see that any other way other than being willfully deceptive, otherwise, it makes no sense to me.