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  • Will The Hard Sciences Survive?

    By Lawrence Krauss

    The Ideological Corruption of Science.

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    https://apkmetro.com/the-ideological...on-of-science/
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    By Lawrence Krauss
    A group of physicists protesting systemic racism is not an assault on hard science. It's merely a group of people who happen to share a common background using that common background and speak out against systemic racism. To show it is a threat to hard sciences, you would have to show that they are attempting to change research outcomes to obtain a pre-desired result.

    Recognizing that, even in the sciences, systemic racism causes certain racism to have a lesser or greater chance to participate in the activity of science is no threat to hard science.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • #3
      I find it ironic that racism is rampant in acadamia and science.

      I agree, we need to clean up the idiocy of modern acadamia.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        A group of physicists protesting systemic racism is not an assault on hard science. It's merely a group of people who happen to share a common background using that common background and speak out against systemic racism. To show it is a threat to hard sciences, you would have to show that they are attempting to change research outcomes to obtain a pre-desired result.

        Recognizing that, even in the sciences, systemic racism causes certain racism to have a lesser or greater chance to participate in the activity of science is no threat to hard science.
        Are you kidding? Do you actually read the article?

        An Italian scientist on the worldwide laboratory CERN, dwelling to the Massive Hadron Collider, had his scheduled seminar on statistical imbalances between the sexes in physics canceled and his place on the laboratory revoked as a result of he advised that obvious inequities may not be straight as a result of sexism. A gaggle of linguistics college students initiated a public petition asking that the psychologist Steven Pinker be stripped of his place as a Linguistics Society of America Fellow for such offenses as tweeting a New York Instances article they disapproved of.

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        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Will The Hard Sciences Survive?
          We are living in a very peculiar era, where hysteria and political correctness are affecting otherwise rational people.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            Are you kidding? Do you actually read the article?

            An Italian scientist on the worldwide laboratory CERN, dwelling to the Massive Hadron Collider, had his scheduled seminar on statistical imbalances between the sexes in physics canceled and his place on the laboratory revoked as a result of he advised that obvious inequities may not be straight as a result of sexism.
            Well that's a lie for a start. That's Alessandro Strumia, and his seminar was cancelled because his presentation was incoherent self-serving offensive garbage.
            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Are you kidding? Do you actually read the article?

              An Italian scientist on the worldwide laboratory CERN, dwelling to the Massive Hadron Collider, had his scheduled seminar on statistical imbalances between the sexes in physics canceled and his place on the laboratory revoked as a result of he advised that obvious inequities may not be straight as a result of sexism. A gaggle of linguistics college students initiated a public petition asking that the psychologist Steven Pinker be stripped of his place as a Linguistics Society of America Fellow for such offenses as tweeting a New York Instances article they disapproved of.

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              No - I didn't read the article. I responded to your extracted quote, which is what I presumed you were focused on. What you extracted did not support the suggestion that the hard sciences were under threat. Your quoted segment provided little impetus for me to read the larger article. I can only read so many things in a day - so I'd rather not waste my time on slanted tripe.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                We are living in a very peculiar era, where hysteria and political correctness are affecting otherwise rational people.
                With that I agree to some degree. There is always a chance of hysteria when a group movement begins.
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Roy View Post
                  Well that's a lie for a start. That's Alessandro Strumia, and his seminar was cancelled because his presentation was incoherent self-serving offensive garbage.
                  So Lawrence Krauss lied and his whole article is wrong? And I would trust what PZ Myers, the social justice warrior says, why?
                  Last edited by seer; 07-15-2020, 08:18 AM.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Roy View Post
                    Well that's a lie for a start. That's Alessandro Strumia, and his seminar was cancelled because his presentation was incoherent self-serving offensive garbage.
                    Interesting...
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      So Lawrence Krauss lied and his whole article is wrong?
                      Or Lawrence Krauss is yet another selectively picking out anecdotes to tell a pre-determined story. THAT is far more of a threat to the hard sciences than what he is railing about.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #12
                        What is it with these articles by Krauss stripping away the names of the people who did and dancing around what they were doing. Stephen Hsu was openly advocating for eugenics! Hsu also had a holocaust denier on his podcast and he likewise appeared on a white supremacists podcast. I think it's quite fair game for a university to decide whether they want to remain associated with someone who is doing that.

                        The Italian scientist that Krauss bemoans is Alessandro Strumia, still looking into him.

                        They should have stuck to physics.
                        Last edited by Leonhard; 07-15-2020, 08:34 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                          The Italian scientist that Krauss bemoans is Alessandro Strumia, still looking into him.
                          I looked it up and he basically gave a talk that hit every single sexist stereotype about women in science that one can think of. Again, he shouldn't be shocked that if this is how he spends his lectures that he's not invited again.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            So Lawrence Krauss lied and his whole article is wrong? And I would trust what PZ Myers, the social justice warrior says, why?
                            No, you shouldn't trust what PZ Myers says, or what Lawrence Krauss says, you should look at the evidence and decide for yourself.
                            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                            • #15
                              Is it just me, or does the diction/grammar of this essay sound wonky?

                              It reads like it was written by someone who had the text translated to English...

                              For example, WTH is a "goal mental requirement"?
                              Last edited by Whateverman; 07-15-2020, 09:12 AM.

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