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    When the pandemic began to pick up speed in the US, I resisted the urge to blame the current white house administration for it. By default, a politician is as responsible for the existence of a virus as he/she is responsible for bad weather (aka. not at all).

    However, it's become apparent that public resistance to mitigation efforts is encouraged by the so-called president. He refuses to take responsibility for our national response to the virus, undermines expert advice AND the experts themselves, and displays contempt for the people he meets by refusing generally to wear a mask. He lies constantly about almost every aspect of the problem. He's even missed his own standards for success in dealing with the pandemic.

    He now owns this virus.

    "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."
    ~ realdonaldtrump

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    Yay. more TDS. I think we need to create a special padded room for you guys.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
      "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."
      ~ realdonaldtrump
      Yay. more TDS.
      Judging Drumpf by his own standards is "TDS"?

      Weird...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
        Judging Drumpf by his own standards is "TDS"?

        Weird...
        Well, in your case it would be DDS.


        Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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        • #5
          How very myopic of you to "name" a global virus after one man in one country.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
            Judging Drumpf by his own standards is "TDS"?

            Weird...
            Just more Trump blaming based on a tweet from 2013 that has nothing to do with this pandemic while thinking you are being clever. TDS.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Just more Trump blaming based on a tweet from 2013 that has nothing to do with this pandemic
              It has to do with leadership.

              Are you conceding that Drumpf isn't a leader?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                It has to do with leadership.

                Are you conceding that Drumpf isn't a leader?
                How is Trump to blame for a pandemic that started in China?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  How is Trump to blame for a pandemic that started in China?
                  Why would you defend a man whose inaction and incompetence has made the US the WORST 1st world nation in the world in terms of it's response to the pandemic?

                  We have the highest number of cases, the highest number of deaths, we have never completely controlled it, unlike Europe, and we now are adding cases twice as fast as we were before our first shutdowns, having squandered over a Trillion dollars in the process through a half-hearted response and reckless early reopening never having gained control.
                  Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-16-2020, 12:15 PM.
                  My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                  If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                  This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                    Judging Drumpf by his own standards is "TDS"?

                    Weird...
                    Who is Drumpf?
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                    - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      Why would you defend a man whose inaction and incompetence has made the US the WORST 1st world nation in the world in terms of it's response to the pandemic?

                      We have the highest number of cases, the highest number of deaths, we have never completely controlled it, unlike Europe, and we now are adding cases twice as fast as we were before our first shutdowns, having squandered over a Trillion dollars in the process through a half-hearted response and reckless early reopening never having gained control.
                      What would we do at Tweb without having our own Eeyore?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        Why would you defend a man whose inaction and incompetence has made the US the WORST 1st world nation in the world in terms of it's response to the pandemic?

                        We have the highest number of cases, the highest number of deaths, we have never completely controlled it, unlike Europe, and we now are adding cases twice as fast as we were before our first shutdowns, having squandered over a Trillion dollars in the process through a half-hearted response and reckless early reopening never having gained control.
                        I was asking Whateverman, Ox. And your claims above are just wrong. Trump acted as his advisors told him to. He shut down flights and travel, shut down the economy, held daily briefs by experts giving advice on how to deal with this virus. As President there is only so much he can do. The governors of the states have to take responsibility for their own areas.

                        As far as deaths go, the US compares favorably with Europe when it comes to deaths per million.

                        deaths per million.jpg
                        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...WE~TUR~USA~GBR

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I was asking Whateverman, Ox. And your claims above are just wrong. Trump acted as his advisors told him to. He shut down flights and travel, shut down the economy, held daily briefs by experts giving advice on how to deal with this virus. As President there is only so much he can do. The governors of the states have to take responsibility for their own areas.

                          As far as deaths go, the US compares favorably with Europe when it comes to deaths per million.

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                          https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...WE~TUR~USA~GBR
                          uhh ... no.

                          No - trump did NOT follow the advice of experts. He dragged his feet every step and ignored DIRE warnings not to reopen too early. He gave no National Shutdown order, leaving it up to the states, but he made clear he did not like the idea, and many republicans followed his lead. This continued with reopening and mask wearing. And he has bragged about asking his staff to slow down testing. And he continues to try to promote that idea that if we stop testing, the problem goes away.

                          As for your chart: Come on sparko! Look at the slopes of the lines. You are using this chart like propaganda. ALL the European countries with the exception of United Kingdom and Sweden have horizontal or nearly horizontal lines. That means their deaths are no longer growing, because their cases are only slightly growing. They have tamed the virus. The UK, US, and Sweden are the ones that have NOT taken aggressive action to contain growth, and they have NOT tamed the virus. It's effects are still growing there and here.

                          What this means is that the numbers for most of europe are not changing much, unlike in the US where the number of cases is growing and yesterday was 71,750.

                          For the EU, we have

                          Austria: 133, Belgium: 91, Bulgaria: 232, Croatia: 126, Cyprus: 2, Chech RP: 134, Denmark: 31, Estonia: 1, Finland: 0, France: 416, Germany: 486, Greece: 27, Hungary: 5, Ireland: 13, Italy: 162, Latvia: 4, Lithuania: 35, Luxembourg: 66, Malta: 0, Netherlands: 106, Poland: 264, Portugal: 375, Romania: 641, Slovakia: 19, Slovenia: 19, Spain: 875

                          TOT1: 4263

                          Sweden:125, UK:538

                          TOT2: 683

                          GRAND TOTAL EU=4946

                          71,750 yesterday in a population of 329,000,000 vs

                          4946 yesterday in a population of 446,000,000.

                          THAT is called ineptitude. This is 26 of 28 EU countries that have control. UK has a leader more like our own, and Sweden tried (and failed) to not shutdown. And with all that, in terms of the current containment of the virus, the US is way behind ALL of them in terms of growth. Yes, some of them hit harder early on have more deaths/million, but that will not last long. We had the benefit of more time and we have lost the battle to this point, whereas they have turned it around - because they tested, and contract traced, and shutdown, and most of all have taken it seriously.

                          Disease spread is an exponential process. If you can keep the numbers small and you act aggressively and smartly when the numbers are small you are in control. If you don't, the virus is in control. In the US, the virus is in control.
                          Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-16-2020, 02:58 PM.
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            How is Trump to blame for a pandemic that started in China?
                            He's to blame for the national reaction to it.

                            Duh.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                              He's to blame for the national reaction to it.

                              Duh.
                              It was the governors and mainstream media who promoted coronaphobia. I guess we could say Fauci contributed to this. I think we can be cured of this pretty quickly.

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