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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Why would you defend a man whose inaction and incompetence has made the US the WORST 1st world nation in the world in terms of it's response to the pandemic?

    We have the highest number of cases, the highest number of deaths, we have never completely controlled it, unlike Europe, and we now are adding cases twice as fast as we were before our first shutdowns, having squandered over a Trillion dollars in the process through a half-hearted response and reckless early reopening never having gained control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Why would you defend a man whose inaction and incompetence has made the US the WORST 1st world nation in the world in terms of it's response to the pandemic?

    We have the highest number of cases, the highest number of deaths, we have never completely controlled it, unlike Europe, and we now are adding cases twice as fast as we were before our first shutdowns, having squandered over a Trillion dollars in the process through a half-hearted response and reckless early reopening never having gained control.
    I was asking Whateverman, Ox. And your claims above are just wrong. Trump acted as his advisors told him to. He shut down flights and travel, shut down the economy, held daily briefs by experts giving advice on how to deal with this virus. As President there is only so much he can do. The governors of the states have to take responsibility for their own areas.

    As far as deaths go, the US compares favorably with Europe when it comes to deaths per million.

    deaths per million.jpg
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...WE~TUR~USA~GBR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I was asking Whateverman, Ox. And your claims above are just wrong. Trump acted as his advisors told him to. He shut down flights and travel, shut down the economy, held daily briefs by experts giving advice on how to deal with this virus. As President there is only so much he can do. The governors of the states have to take responsibility for their own areas.

    As far as deaths go, the US compares favorably with Europe when it comes to deaths per million.

    deaths per million.jpg
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...WE~TUR~USA~GBR
    uhh ... no.

    No - trump did NOT follow the advice of experts. He dragged his feet every step and ignored DIRE warnings not to reopen too early. He gave no National Shutdown order, leaving it up to the states, but he made clear he did not like the idea, and many republicans followed his lead. This continued with reopening and mask wearing. And he has bragged about asking his staff to slow down testing. And he continues to try to promote that idea that if we stop testing, the problem goes away.

    As for your chart: Come on sparko! Look at the slopes of the lines. You are using this chart like propaganda. ALL the European countries with the exception of United Kingdom and Sweden have horizontal or nearly horizontal lines. That means their deaths are no longer growing, because their cases are only slightly growing. They have tamed the virus. The UK, US, and Sweden are the ones that have NOT taken aggressive action to contain growth, and they have NOT tamed the virus. It's effects are still growing there and here.

    What this means is that the numbers for most of europe are not changing much, unlike in the US where the number of cases is growing and yesterday was 71,750.

    For the EU, we have

    Austria: 133, Belgium: 91, Bulgaria: 232, Croatia: 126, Cyprus: 2, Chech RP: 134, Denmark: 31, Estonia: 1, Finland: 0, France: 416, Germany: 486, Greece: 27, Hungary: 5, Ireland: 13, Italy: 162, Latvia: 4, Lithuania: 35, Luxembourg: 66, Malta: 0, Netherlands: 106, Poland: 264, Portugal: 375, Romania: 641, Slovakia: 19, Slovenia: 19, Spain: 875

    TOT1: 4263

    Sweden:125, UK:538

    TOT2: 683

    GRAND TOTAL EU=4946

    71,750 yesterday in a population of 329,000,000 vs

    4946 yesterday in a population of 446,000,000.

    THAT is called ineptitude. This is 26 of 28 EU countries that have control. UK has a leader more like our own, and Sweden tried (and failed) to not shutdown. And with all that, in terms of the current containment of the virus, the US is way behind ALL of them in terms of growth. Yes, some of them hit harder early on have more deaths/million, but that will not last long. We had the benefit of more time and we have lost the battle to this point, whereas they have turned it around - because they tested, and contract traced, and shutdown, and most of all have taken it seriously.

    Disease spread is an exponential process. If you can keep the numbers small and you act aggressively and smartly when the numbers are small you are in control. If you don't, the virus is in control. In the US, the virus is in control.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-16-2020 at 12:58 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    How is Trump to blame for a pandemic that started in China?
    He's to blame for the national reaction to it.

    Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    He's to blame for the national reaction to it.

    Duh.
    It was the governors and mainstream media who promoted coronaphobia. I guess we could say Fauci contributed to this. I think we can be cured of this pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    He's to blame for the national reaction to it.

    Duh.
    TDS. Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    uhh ... no.

    No - trump did NOT follow the advice of experts. He dragged his feet every step and ignored DIRE warnings not to reopen too early. He gave no National Shutdown order, leaving it up to the states, but he made clear he did not like the idea, and many republicans followed his lead. This continued with reopening and mask wearing. And he has bragged about asking his staff to slow down testing. And he continues to try to promote that idea that if we stop testing, the problem goes away.

    As for your chart: Come on sparko! Look at the slopes of the lines. You are using this chart like propaganda. ALL the European countries with the exception of United Kingdom and Sweden have horizontal or nearly horizontal lines. That means their deaths are no longer growing, because their cases are only slightly growing. They have tamed the virus. The UK, US, and Sweden are the ones that have NOT taken aggressive action to contain growth, and they have NOT tamed the virus. It's effects are still growing there and here.

    What this means is that the numbers for most of europe are not changing much, unlike in the US where the number of cases is growing and yesterday was 71,750.

    For the EU, we have

    Austria: 133, Belgium: 91, Bulgaria: 232, Croatia: 126, Cyprus: 2, Chech RP: 134, Denmark: 31, Estonia: 1, Finland: 0, France: 416, Germany: 486, Greece: 27, Hungary: 5, Ireland: 13, Italy: 162, Latvia: 4, Lithuania: 35, Luxembourg: 66, Malta: 0, Netherlands: 106, Poland: 264, Portugal: 375, Romania: 641, Slovakia: 19, Slovenia: 19, Spain: 875

    TOT1: 4263

    Sweden:125, UK:538

    TOT2: 683

    GRAND TOTAL EU=4946

    71,750 yesterday in a population of 329,000,000 vs

    4946 yesterday in a population of 446,000,000.

    THAT is called ineptitude. This is 26 of 28 EU countries that have control. UK has a leader more like our own, and Sweden tried (and failed) to not shutdown. And with all that, in terms of the current containment of the virus, the US is way behind ALL of them in terms of growth. Yes, some of them hit harder early on have more deaths/million, but that will not last long. We had the benefit of more time and we have lost the battle to this point, whereas they have turned it around - because they tested, and contract traced, and shutdown, and most of all have taken it seriously.

    Disease spread is an exponential process. If you can keep the numbers small and you act aggressively and smartly when the numbers are small you are in control. If you don't, the virus is in control. In the US, the virus is in control.
    Florida alone, with a population of approximately 22 million, has twice as many new cases per day than all of Western Europe.
    Last edited by JimL; 07-16-2020 at 01:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Florida alone, with a population of approximately 22 million, has twice as many new cases per day than all of Western Europe.

    Wow. How sad. The race is on.
    Western Europe will have to start increasing their testing to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    As far as deaths go, the US compares favorably with Europe when it comes to deaths per million.
    Your own chart indicates otherwise. It shows the US being worse than most of Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Your own chart indicates otherwise. It shows the US being worse than most of Europe.
    Look who's talking, Brit.

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