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How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAlready went through that with you, it's in your best interest to survive, it's in your best interests not to suffer unecessarily. Or do you disagree with that?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostThe ones that Aristotle came up with seem to be good enough for most purposes.
1. The laws of logic are absolute.
2. The laws of logic are not absolute.
So both propositions could be true?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd why is my best interest a good? See Jim it all comes back to our "say so." My survival or best interest is a good because I say so. A circular justification.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat's because morality has to do with our best interests, seer. So, your, our, survival, our not suffering unnecessarily, is either "good" (in our best interests, or "evil" (not in our best interests. Which is it?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes including the law of non-contradiction. Which he denies is valid in all cases. So I asked him:
1. The laws of logic are absolute.
2. The laws of logic are not absolute.
So both propositions could be true?
Here is a source that gives a good idea of the consequences of denying the principle of non-contradiction or the principle of the excluded middle. (HINT: It's not necessarily terrible.)
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Originally posted by seer View PostNot the point Jim, it is only good because we SAY SO. It is a circular justification. Period.
Your argument on the other hand is that what is "good or evil" has nothing whatsoever to do with the lives of human beings, and that just makes no sense to me.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostHe might be thinking about paraconsistent logic.
Here is a source that gives a good idea of the consequences of denying the principle of non-contradiction or the principle of the excluded middle. (HINT: It's not necessarily terrible.)
1. The laws of logic are absolute.
2. The laws of logic are not absolute.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell I'd agree to a certain extent in that we do subjectively desire to live, but by nature as well, the first purpose for being born, the first purpose of life, is to live, to survive. So, you could argue that survival is both a subjective as well as an objective "good". I don't think though that whether it be subjective or objective makes a whole lot of difference with respect to what is "good" since the subjective desire to survive, the desire to be free of unnecessary suffering, is a desire common to all life. It's not a circular argument at any rate, because "good" in the above sense is relative to survival, to unnecessary suffering, not to our subjective desire to survive, or to not suffer unnecessarily.
Your argument on the other hand is that what is "good or evil" has nothing whatsoever to do with the lives of human beings, and that just makes no sense to me.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim there is no PURPOSE for being born there is no PURPOSE for life in an atheistic universe. Your argument fails, the only reason why our survival is a good is because we SAY SO.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo let me ask you, could both propositions be true?:
1. The laws of logic are absolute.
2. The laws of logic are not absolute.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim there is no PURPOSE for being born there is no PURPOSE for life in an atheistic universe. Your argument fails, the only reason why our survival is a good is because we SAY SO.
IOW, seer doubted his purpose and God sent him a concrete visual sign to convince seer of God's existence.
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Originally posted by whag View PostEveryone, be aware that seer once claimed God sent him a visual sign of a "floating fern plant" during a particularly distressing time of doubt in his life.
IOW, seer doubted his purpose and God sent him a concrete visual sign to convince seer of God's existence.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim there is no PURPOSE for being born there is no PURPOSE for life in an atheistic universe. Your argument fails, the only reason why our survival is a good is because we SAY SO.
The universe does not give the proverbial about what happens on this pale blue dot that we call home."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is your point Whag? I think most Christians have moments of doubt.
Can I ask what specifically you were doubting?
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