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How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell not in the sense of intention, by yeah, the natural purpose of birth, of life, is to live. And you're right, nature is not intentional so it doesn't deal in morality, but you're confusing natural causes with intentional causes and only the latter is defined as morality. So, why is it objective then? Because when it comes to intentional beings morals are those rules that we find to be in the best interests of life, of survival, of society.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostIs it rational to insist that everyone accept the laws of logic as absolute when you can't prove it without begging the question?Last edited by seer; 08-07-2020, 11:45 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostWhy should we believe the law of non-contradiction is absolute?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBecause is we don't accept it as absolute we descend into the irrational.
Do you believe for a second that the sun could both exist and not exist at the same moment?
And I would say that some truths are self-evident.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostThe existence of paraconsistent logic suggests that we don't necessarily descend into the irrational if we don't consider the law of non-contradiction to be absolute.
No, I don't believe that the sun could both exist and not exist at the same moment. But that doesn't mean the law of non-contradiction is absolute.
Even if I were to accept the claim that the law of non-contradiction is self-evident, I could still reject the claim that the absoluteness of the law of non-contradiction is self-evident. Or are you using "absolute" and "self-evident" interchangeably?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhy do you define god as good then, because god says so?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhite chocolate.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy not? If you know that is a logical impossibility isn't that self-evident? How could it be anything but absolute?
Everything you just said could mean what you wrote and the opposite of what you wrote in principle if the LOC is not absolute.
Dialetheists, for example, hold that there can be a statement whose negation is also true. But they do not hold that the negation of every true statement is also true, as that would make reasoning impossible.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostIt's a logical impossibility according to classical logic. The fact that I have to specify "according to classical logic" should give you an idea of how it could be something other than absolute.
Well, it doesn't.
Dialetheists, for example, hold that there can be a statement whose negation is also true. But they do not hold that the negation of every true statement is also true, as that would make reasoning impossible.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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