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    How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?

    I came across this during my news trawling.

    It is laughable but also quite terrifying that people can believe such absolute nonsense.

    From the BBC news website

    QAnon, coronavirus and the conspiracy cult

    A bizarre conspiracy theory has surged in popularity in the US since the pandemic, according to exclusive research seen by the BBC.

    QAnon and its believers say that Donald Trump is here to save the world from an evil cabal of paedophiles and it’s had a surprising level of interest around the world from Brazil to Germany, the UK and Indonesia.

    And this week Twitter announced it would delete 7,000 QAnon-related accounts, saying it hoped the action would help to prevent "offline harm".

    BBC Population Correspondent Stephanie Hegarty has spoken to QAnon followers and their families to find out why this cultish conspiracy has gained so much traction.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-53...onspiracy-cult
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    I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I don't.
    Well you do argue with Jim L...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Well you do argue with Jim L...
    He's more drug-addled and inane than just irrational.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I don't.
    I appreciate your laconic indifference but why in a society where serious and rational information is, quite literally, at our fingertips do these ridiculous conspiracy theories continue to flourish and whatever happened to common sense?

    The six minute video suggests that such beliefs are more prevalent among older people. I assume that refers to people of my generation who were born in the 50s/60s and whom one would have hoped should have garnered a degree of rational thinking. Whatever went wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Well you do argue with Jim L...
    But that's only because I'm full of raging hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    I appreciate your laconic indifference but why in a society where serious and rational information is, quite literally, at our fingertips do these ridiculous conspiracy theories continue to flourish and whatever happened to common sense?

    The six minute video suggests that such beliefs are more prevalent among older people. I assume that refers to people of my generation who were born in the 50s/60s and whom one would have hoped should have garnered a degree of rational thinking. Whatever went wrong?
    The world has gone nuts. I prefer to avoid conspiracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    I appreciate your laconic indifference but why in a society where serious and rational information is, quite literally, at our fingertips do these ridiculous conspiracy theories continue to flourish and whatever happened to common sense?

    The six minute video suggests that such beliefs are more prevalent among older people. I assume that refers to people of my generation who were born in the 50s/60s and whom one would have hoped should have garnered a degree of rational thinking. Whatever went wrong?
    Possibly for the same reason that, IIRC, nearly 40% of those on the left still believe that the Collusion Delusion happened. IOW, they want to believe it and troublesome things like facts, evidence and truth are impediments to be ignored.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    I appreciate your laconic indifference but why in a society where serious and rational information is, quite literally, at our fingertips do these ridiculous conspiracy theories continue to flourish and whatever happened to common sense?

    The six minute video suggests that such beliefs are more prevalent among older people. I assume that refers to people of my generation who were born in the 50s/60s and whom one would have hoped should have garnered a degree of rational thinking. Whatever went wrong?
    One reason is that many of the rational sources are themselves not trusted within those circles that buy into the conspiracies. The anti-vaxers, the young earth creationists, the AGW deniars, they all have been convinced that scientists are themselves engaged in 'covering up' the truth or perhaps that they have been 'bought out' or somehow forced to be silent about what the 'really know' and thus they can't be trusted to be honestly evaluating the data according to the principles and methodology we call science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    I appreciate your laconic indifference but why in a society where serious and rational information is, quite literally, at our fingertips do these ridiculous conspiracy theories continue to flourish and whatever happened to common sense?

    The six minute video suggests that such beliefs are more prevalent among older people. I assume that refers to people of my generation who were born in the 50s/60s and whom one would have hoped should have garnered a degree of rational thinking. Whatever went wrong?
    My 79 yo mom was a died-in-the-wool liberal up until around 2014. By then, she started watching QAnon and naturally gravitated to Trump. She doesn’t have a formal education, so the transition was quick. That’s the only explanation I can give.

    The same goes for creationists who dismiss evolution and deep time. Conspiracy theorizing goes hand in hand with the belief that natural science is driven by hoax and black magic.

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