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  • #31
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Remember the scientific method and rationality are racist...
    scientists and scientific organizations, perhaps, science - no.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • #32
      Wow. this QAnon conspiracy sounds almost as unbelievable as the Liberal "Trump is a Russian Agent/Pawn" conspiracy.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Wow. this QAnon conspiracy sounds almost as unbelievable as the Liberal "Trump is a Russian Agent/Pawn" conspiracy.
        In fact, didn't Juvenal (or whatever his name is) link to a story here that literally promoted the theory that there were "good folks" in Trump's admin secretly resisting him and they called themselves "the resistance;" pretty much Qanon flipped?

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        • #34
          I guess it is a conspiracy theory to suggest that the Communist Chines Government is in bed with some major US Universities...

          Harvard Center Hypes Chinese Communist Party Popularity While Receiving MILLIONS From Chinese Govt And CCP-Linked Companies

          https://thenationalpulse.com/politic...inese-funding/
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #35
            Originally posted by whag View Post
            You must have missed the part about Q followers being Trump supporters. They think he's a maverick who is secretly undoing the "deep state." Trump dog whistles to them by referring to the "deep state" department.
            Speaking of nutty conspiracy theories...

            "Dog whistles"
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              I appreciate your laconic indifference but why in a society where serious and rational information is, quite literally, at our fingertips do these ridiculous conspiracy theories continue to flourish and whatever happened to common sense?

              The six minute video suggests that such beliefs are more prevalent among older people. I assume that refers to people of my generation who were born in the 50s/60s and whom one would have hoped should have garnered a degree of rational thinking. Whatever went wrong?
              Over at that "other" site, I argued with a Climate-Change proponent who had the gall to tell me that CC was "causing" forest fires in Alaska and Northern Canada. I asked him how that was happening and he submitted a ridiculous article that said a heat wave was causing the fires. When I called him out on that, he said "Well, I never said 'caused' ", although he clearly did. The alleged "science" article did too.

              Over at that other site, I submitted an article where Kim Prather, an "environmental chemist," was interviewed. Prather insisted that the coronavirus was getting into the ocean off California's coast - through raw sewage - and was spraying beachgoers and infecting them. This person has a Ph.D - a doctorate in stupidity. She is an example that if you sit on your brains long enough in class they will eek out as "raw sewage."

              And all sorts of people keep insisting that Vladimir Putin controls Donald Trump - despite several investigations that came to zilch, Trump's attacks on Russia's economy, Russia's allies, and Trump's increased sanctions.

              There has been a steady decline in IQ test scores for several decades now. It is most obvious when it comes to common sense.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Speaking of irrational...

                Maxine Waters accuses President Trump of using feds in Portland as a 'trial run' to remain in power

                https://www.theblaze.com/news/maxine...portland-power
                It's not "irrational". The abuse and type of power wrt these troops is, in fact, similar to precursor events in other countries where the offending leader did in fact use them to remain in power or transition to full authoritarian rule. Here are 3 examples.

                https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-li...ecurity-force/

                Source: above

                After the bloody Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, the leaders of the new Soviet Union protected their authority through the use of secret police. With the rise of Joseph Stalin, the secret police which had once been used purely for enforcement, expanded its control over the country. In 1934, it became known as the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs, which in Russian is abbreviated to NKVD.

                © Copyright Original Source



                https://courses.lumenlearning.com/su...der-mussolini/

                Source: above

                The Fascisti, led by one of Mussolini’s close confidants, Dino Grandi, formed armed squads of war veterans called Blackshirts (or squadristi) with the goal of restoring order to the streets of Italy with a strong hand. The blackshirts clashed with communists, socialists, and anarchists at parades and demonstrations; all of these factions were also involved in clashes against each other. The Italian government rarely interfered with the blackshirts’ actions, owing in part to a looming threat and widespread fear of a communist revolution. The Fascisti grew rapidly, within two years transforming themselves into the National Fascist Party at a congress in Rome. In 1921 Mussolini won election to the Chamber of Deputies for the first time.

                © Copyright Original Source



                And of course the SS and Gestapo of Hitler. They all started out as 'security forces of one form or another tasked with keeping law and order.

                Now - what evidence can you give other than your own personal incredulity that these forces Trump is creating can be prevented from becoming forces that can be used precisely for what Maxine Waters is concerned about? There have to be real controls, real walls that will not allow them to become such a force. That is THE lesson of History wrt to this type of policing force. And that is one of the underlying principles on which we are founded, and on which these forces are not resting.
                Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-23-2020, 02:47 PM.
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  It's not "irrational". The abuse and type of power wrt these troops is, in fact, similar to precursor events in other countries where the offending leader did in fact use them to remain in power or transition to full authoritarian rule. Here are 3 examples.
                  Do any of those examples include the abdication of authority of legitimate civil servants, like mayor and governor, encouraging disorder, while anarchists destroy cities?
                  ETA: AND, a legitimate democratically elected national figure stepping in to address the situation?


                  Asking for a friend.
                  Last edited by Cow Poke; 07-23-2020, 02:50 PM.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Do any of those examples include the abdication of authority of legitimate civil servants, like mayor and governor, encouraging disorder, while anarchists destroy cities?

                    Asking for a friend.
                    CP - you are not rational on this topic. You don't seem to have a conscious awareness of the REAL lessons from history about such organizations and the very real danger they represent to ANY free democracy, or are so given over to partisan hatred you just don't care.
                    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      Speaking of nutty conspiracy theories...

                      "Dog whistles"
                      That Trump is putting out secret codes to his white supremacist base that only they understand (btw, this was even endorsed by a former head of the FBI) is about as kooky as Obama birtherism IMO, maybe even more so.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        That Trump is putting out secret codes to his white supremacist base that only they understand (btw, this was even endorsed by a former head of the FBI) is about as kooky as Obama birtherism IMO, maybe even more so.
                        I just find it curious that liberals are apparently able to hear these "dog whistles" while nobody else can.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          CP - you are not rational on this topic.
                          Let's not do that, Jim. Obviously, you're still angry.

                          You don't seem to have a conscious awareness of the REAL lessons from history about such organizations and the very real danger they represent to ANY free democracy, or are so given over to partisan hatred you just don't care.
                          Jim, if you want to continue the "hatred game", please take it to the loony bin, OK?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            It's not "irrational". The abuse and type of power wrt these troops is, in fact, similar to precursor events in other countries where the offending leader did in fact use them to remain in power or transition to full authoritarian rule. Here are 3 examples.
                            Thank you Jim, you made my point....
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              That Trump is putting out secret codes to his white supremacist base that only they understand (btw, this was even endorsed by a former head of the FBI) is about as kooky as Obama birtherism IMO, maybe even more so.
                              Yes, but remember that Trump promulgated birtherism among his base. Hillary used it as a desperate attempt to undo Obama, and Trump recognized the people in his base would eat it up even moreso.

                              Okay so moving on, here's the "deep state" conspiracy:

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_s..._United_States

                              The deep state is a conspiracy theory[1][2][3][4][5] which suggests that collusion and cronyism exist within the US political system and constitute a hidden government within the legitimately elected government.[6][7][8][9][10] Author Mike Lofgren believes that there is "a hybrid association of elements of government and parts of top-level finance and industry that is effectively able to govern the United States without reference to the consent of the governed as expressed through the formal political process",[11] or consider the deep state to encompass corruption prevalent among career politicians and civil servants.[12]
                              And here's Trump promulgating the conspiracy with a dog whistle:

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...f86_video.html

                              Care to guess how many times Trump tweeted about the "deep state," which we can all apparently agree is a conspiracy theory?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by whag View Post
                                Rand Paul sees that as a danger, as well, hence why he argues against militarizing the police:

                                https://reason.com/2020/07/21/rand-p...ze-the-police/
                                I usually agree with Paul in principle (and I do here as well) but unfortunately he is buying into the Left's narrative as the foundation for his argument. He is swallowing the CNN news reports regarding Portland.

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